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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by redwall_hp »

nfw2 wrote: post #320

My personal pet peeve is when people write the Standard Time acronym when scheduling cross-timezone meetings, despite the fact that it is Daylight Saving Time. (Eg. "I'll call you tomorrow at 4pm PST.") In the past, I've gotten paranoid that they may live somewhere that doesn't observe Daylight Savings, but I also don't want to seem like a pedant by bringing up their mistake. I'm curious if this change will make this…

My personal pet peeve is giving times in their local time zone when they know full well everyone is going to be in different time zones. Convert it to UTC so everyone can just worry about their offset.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by paxys »

patwolf wrote: post #343

Back in '08 when the US dates of DST changed, I was working on a Java-based enterprise software product with a relatively large install base. It suddenly became known to a lot of customers that timezone tables are part of the JRE, and simply updating the OS wasn't enough to get proper time calculations in Java. It was a very stressful time getting customers with many different versions of Java across dozens of platfo…

Considering how frequently time zones around the world change, any OS or software that doesn't auto update them from a standard list at this point deserves to break.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by spiffytech »

foepys wrote: post #33
aadvark69 wrote: post #11

Incoming mass patching of any and all Date/Time libraries

Which production-ready datetime library doesn't use zoneinfo? There should be no need to patch otherwise there would be quite a lot of patching happening each year. The current version is 2021e, meaning it's the 5th iteration for 2021. Notably Fiji decided to not use DST in 2021/2022 but apparently plans to resume using it afterwards.

Any software using an IANA zone (e.g., America/New_York) shouldn't have any trouble. But any software that uses zone labels like EST might do the wrong thing, since EDT is being renamed to EST but will still have EDT's offset.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by jrumbut »

jp57 wrote: post #77

I mentioned something similar in a comment last year, but I think there's going to be a lot of moaning about late sunrises in US in December. Roughly 8:15-8:20 am around the solstice in New York, DC, Chicago, and even Austin. Not til nearly 9am in Seattle. The sun won't rise before 8am in NYC for basically all of December and January. I'd even be willing to guess that the amount of moaning might be equal to what we g…

This is the first time I've heard someone express the idea that there is a silent majority of people who would prefer earlier sunrises to later sunsets, very interesting! Intuitively I disagree but I have no evidence and I'm sure at least one person will dislike the change.

For me though, the real pain wasn't any particular time zone, it was the abrupt change from getting out of work with some daylight left to walking out in darkness. Gradual changes are almost always easier to deal with.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by jsw »

nfw2 wrote: post #320

My personal pet peeve is when people write the Standard Time acronym when scheduling cross-timezone meetings, despite the fact that it is Daylight Saving Time. (Eg. "I'll call you tomorrow at 4pm PST.") In the past, I've gotten paranoid that they may live somewhere that doesn't observe Daylight Savings, but I also don't want to seem like a pedant by bringing up their mistake. I'm curious if this change will make this…

I wish “Prevailing Time” would catch on. Eg PPT

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by notriddle »

thehappypm wrote: post #266
mdturnerphys wrote: post #146

More info here: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-approves-bill-tha... Important note: "Senator Marco Rubio said after input from airlines and broadcasters that supporters agreed that the change would not take place until November 2023."

That’s pretty soon. It makes sense to take some time to prep.

They're handling it better than Samoa did, anyway [1].

[1]: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2021-September/030397.html

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by drekipus »

ddlatham wrote: post #360

We did this before, about 50 years ago. Going in, close to 80% of people supported permanent Daylight Saving Time. After experiencing a single winter, that dropped to close to 40%, and it was repealed. Looks like we may be doomed to repeat the experience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_time_observation_in_...

Well you know what they say..

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by wolverine876 »

radley wrote: post #248

Obligatory link to previous attempt (1973) to make DST permanent: https://www.nytimes.com/1974/01/31/archives/schools-ask-end-... TLDR: schools asked to reinstate DST because more school children were killed in accidents walking to school in the dark that year.

Doesn't DST make it darker in the morning and lighter at night?

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by Ekaros »

bilalq wrote: post #101

We thought Y2K38 would be the next big industry challenge, but I expect a lot of things are going to go wrong with a change with just a year or two of notice. I love that this is happening, but I'm pretty certain a lot of random things are going to break when the cutover happens.

The way they do it is just so self-destructive. Changing the definition of timezone, not just changing to existing one... That is so lovely corner case to remember forever... Idiots...

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Post by CyanBird »

Smithalicious wrote: post #269

Watching Americans freak out about post-8AM sunrises is surreal to me. The sun doesn't rise until 8:45 during the darkest times of the year here in the Netherlands and its really not much of an issue. Whether standard time or summer time is the better choice here is something I hold no opinion on, but the sheer hysteria some people here express is very overblown.

It will be funny to see what happens with Alaska, they might have just forgotten about the state

Same thing happened in Chile a while back, the entire country was left on "summer time" which then meant that the southern tip of Chile had very, very little sun during the winter during the mornings, the "proper day time" was notoriously "shifted"

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