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Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Post by yumraj »

lordnacho wrote: post #55
yumraj wrote: post #39

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What is wrong with a theocratic government if the people want it and it suits their way of life, especially if it is a peaceful spiritual way of life and makes people happy. Last I checked Bhutan, which is also Buddhist, was doing well. Also, I hope you're not saying that the way of the China/CCP is better than how Tibetans were before Chinese invasion. I don't think they were ever ravaged , unless you're referring t…

What's wrong with theocracy? Really? How about that you can't change it very easily once you have it? Or that it's based on authority, mostly of a small set of people? Or that religious issues have caused the slaughter of millions of people? Are you really abandoning liberal democracy because you happen to have found a religion you like?

> Are you really abandoning liberal democracy because you happen to have found a religion you like?

I've not found a religion I like :)

I'd said what's wrong with theocracy if that is what the people want, for example vote for. So, in effect it's a democratically chosen theocracy. Is that not democracy after all?

In other words, if Tibet were to become independent and the people chose Dalai Lama to be the head of the state, would it be a theocracy or a democracy or a theocratic democracy?

But, I get your point.

Still, I think we’re getting ahead of ourselves debating future Tibetan government while it is being butchered under the CCP. We safely can punt this debate for later.

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Post by Claude_Shannon »

soco wrote: post #14
werewolf wrote: post #9

I believe many "Czechoslovaks" feel with Tibet and also Ukraine these days. For those interested in history of "living torches" fighting for freedom: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Palach

In communist Romania, 2 March 1988... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liviu_Cornel_Babe%C8%99

And in Soviet-occupied Poland... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryszard_Siwiec

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Post by [deleted] »

peppertree wrote: post #31
yumraj wrote: post #25

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It's for them, as in Tibetans, to decide, not China, not CCP nor anyone else.

What are we going to do when Tibetans are ravaged by a theocratic government? Air drop some freedom and democracy. And maybe a few flag emojis on twitter.

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Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Post by cyberpunk »

As a zen Buddhist, I've always kinda felt our Tibetan 'dharma brothers' style of buddhism (admittedly, I don't know a lot about) feels much more like a proper religion than the kind of thing I've been into.. Which put me off quite a lot of it, I still hope to someday visit the place.

It’s pretty sad that such an essentially peaceful and introspective group of people are abused thus, even if they believe in some pretty mad shit.

I’ve never worked out what china wants in Tibet tbh though, does anyone have a clue? Chan is bigger in .cn than Tibetan Buddhism (and chan (which became zen) also rejects any kind of eternal self / reincarnation / non-impermanence) and so thus there are no such thing as a lama.

So I guess the restrictions / bad business china got unto in tibet are related to some kind of territorial dispute? But what’s there? What do they gain?

I can’t see how it’s making them a profit..

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Post by cuteboy19 »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #56
yumraj wrote: post #25

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It's for them, as in Tibetans, to decide, not China, not CCP nor anyone else.

Is it really though? Does this generation get to decide that all generations following it should live under a theocratic dictatorship? I'm not sure that's a whole lot better than Chinese control. Anyone who thinks the old Tibetan monarchy/aristocrat system was a good form of government should really read up on it and not just assume it was paradise for the Tibetan people. They still had serfs and slaves.

There are many kinds of "theocracy". The islamic republic of Pakistan is significantly better than Saudi Arabia. Or would your rather have them both as "rightful Chinese territory"?

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Post by mytailorisrich »

cyberpunk wrote: post #65

As a zen Buddhist, I've always kinda felt our Tibetan 'dharma brothers' style of buddhism (admittedly, I don't know a lot about) feels much more like a proper religion than the kind of thing I've been into.. Which put me off quite a lot of it, I still hope to someday visit the place. It’s pretty sad that such an essentially peaceful and introspective group of people are abused thus, even if they believe in some prett…

Tibet is strategically located and has been part of the Great Game in Asia for a long time.

In fact, the British tried to invade it at the very beginning of the 20th century but hard landscape and the Tibetan and Chinese armies repelled them. Following that the Western powers even signed a treaty recognizing Chinese sovereignty over Tibet...

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Post by DeusExMachina »

cyberpunk wrote: post #65

As a zen Buddhist, I've always kinda felt our Tibetan 'dharma brothers' style of buddhism (admittedly, I don't know a lot about) feels much more like a proper religion than the kind of thing I've been into.. Which put me off quite a lot of it, I still hope to someday visit the place. It’s pretty sad that such an essentially peaceful and introspective group of people are abused thus, even if they believe in some prett…

Tibet provides a lot of water to China and India

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Post by ogogmad »

croes wrote: post #30
MarkMarine wrote: post #16

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BTW have you a source for you claim? Stalin killed 9 to 20 millions people but many of them weren't jews.

Stalin was indeed violently antisemitic. See: The "doctor's plot", "Trotskyism", "rootless cosmopolitans", etc.

Russian nationalists do indeed idolise him. But he wasn't Hitler.

That aside, I urge people to look up Stepan Andriyovych Bandera and see that this is yet more Kremlin disinformation. Other Eastern European countries have also had to grapple with the Fascist connections of their so-called freedom fighters and war heroes. Ukraine is not unique in this respect. Hell, even Winston Churchill (a figure revered throughout today's West) was deeply racist towards Indians. Does this reverence towards Churchill mean that the whole West needs to be denazified? Does the Southern US need to be denazified because some of its streets are named after racists like Robert E Lee? I thought that the pro-Putin people were against the "woke mob" taking down statues of controversial figures. Is Putin now woke?

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Post by cyberpunk »

DeusExMachina wrote: post #68
cyberpunk wrote: post #65

As a zen Buddhist, I've always kinda felt our Tibetan 'dharma brothers' style of buddhism (admittedly, I don't know a lot about) feels much more like a proper religion than the kind of thing I've been into.. Which put me off quite a lot of it, I still hope to someday visit the place. It’s pretty sad that such an essentially peaceful and introspective group of people are abused thus, even if they believe in some prett…

Tibet provides a lot of water to China and India

And what, china thinks tibet will somehow find a way to stop rivers running? Or the kind of people who move individual ants while building temples would poison such waters? I still don't get it.

Maybe it's those little blue flowers from Batman Begins they're after? >_<

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