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CIA black site detainee served as training prop to teach torture techniques
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Re: CIA black site detainee served as training prop to teach torture techniques
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is very different and clear cut case. I will leave it to legal scholars to debate whether the police was justified. Trying to compare this to a case when the guy is being tortured for training purposes is sick. In theory since the case is so trivial they could be convicted and immediately given complete presidential pardon with clean record or whatever is the equivalent. Or jury nullification can be used. There…
My comment was in response to the "torture = bad" part of the parent comment, not an attempt to justify using detainees to practice your torture techniques.
He was also tortured in a "regular" way on a basis of being relative. And he is still tortured - what else do you want to call keeping him in for so many years without charges and trial. Any way you spin it it is sick. And what good did it do? Care to share accounts of people saved from an imminent death by torturing this guy?
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#163EU should put sanctions on top US leadership and many of the large US based corporations, especially in businesses like banking, media and technology.
What do you think that will accomplish?
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let’s make it personal. Someone’s kidnapped your 2 year old kid and you know that this person knows where they are.
Yeah. Let's do make it personal. (I'll rephrase another commenter's comment) If I disassemble you and redistribute your body parts, I could save several people who are in dire need of a heart, some kidneys, some blood. Should I just go ahead and do this? If not, why not?
I never said someone had to die. In your case, someone does.
Re: CIA black site detainee served as training prop to teach torture techniques
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not only that but it is considered a war crime to torture from my understanding. So how can we look at Russia and say they are committing war crimes if the US blatantly does things like this. We need to lead on a moral high ground.
Well the US isn't a party to the ICC so it can't be sued by it over war crimes in the first place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_Statute
The Rome Statute is tied to territory, so any US citizens that find themselves in a country that has signed the Rome Statute can find themselves facing war crimes tribunals, hence the Hague invasion act. Even with that act in place there's a swath of western countries that former US statesmen like Cheney and Kissinger won't go anymore.
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#166Bonkers reading through this thread and seeing people discuss torture as casually and unemotionally as if it were just a regular ol' anyday thing. Like wow folks, this is not academic!
Re: CIA black site detainee served as training prop to teach torture techniques
#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hard to see how the US can claim a moral high ground on anything when it continues to not be a member of the ICC and is even occasionally actively hostile towards individual judges and member countries by threatening sanctions.
I’m glad that my US constitutional rights cannot be abrogated by a supranational judicial system.
What are the specifics of that? Without more detail, it kind of sounds like you're saying American's shouldn't be responsible for crimes committed abroad if the US doesn't prosecute on behalf of the foreign parties.
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m glad that my US constitutional rights cannot be abrogated by a supranational judicial system.
I'm not especially thrilled with the idea that this can grant you a license to murder me in my sleep with impunity simply because Im not a US citizen. The alternative of supernational courts dispensing justice at an international level is essentially loose federations of gangs doing the same thing. And, when a kid in a crips neighborhood tries to join the bloods...
> I'm not especially thrilled with the idea that this can grant you a license to murder me in my sleep with impunity simply because Im not a US citizen.
Doesn't seem to stop other countries from doing this internationally and to their own citizens anyway. Something like the ICC in how you're envisioning things can only work when it's backed by military force. So long story short, it is mainly just the U.S. enforcing things, which doesn't really change anything.
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#169This is the kind of stuff that probably makes some people’s job down the pipe easier and at the same time undermines the Western civilization. Make no mistake, no US citizen outside of the political class benefits from this or other atrocities. The exact same goes for the surveillance programs. Losing the moral high ground degrades the whole society. The whole anti establishment movement rallies around stuff like thi…
Oh, this is far, far worse. It shows the CIA is just as rogue as the Kremlin, and given their history it is fairly clear now that within these two groups there is extreme collusion. The Western intelligence apparatus has been hijacked by a force that is getting instructions from the reptilian brain instead of the cerebral cortex, meaning they are now the enemy.
> The Western intelligence apparatus has been hijacked by a force that is getting instructions from the reptilian brain
The sheer wackiness of David Icke's Antisemitism (where 'reptile brains' are coda for Jews) never ceases to amaze me.
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#170If our country was just, everyone in the CIA who engaged in or authorized torture would be executed. I'm typically against capital punishment, but state sanctioned torture is such a far line past what is acceptable, I really think we'd be better off if we swept all these evil people off the face of the planet.
Instead, they get cushy think tank and consultancy jobs as a reward for their evil 'service'.