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Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by CRConrad »

AlexandrB wrote: post #119
waihtis wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reality shatters your point really quickly, it's even mentioned in the lecture (suggesting you didn't watch it): Russians have literally had 8 years of democracy in the past 600+ years, otherwise it's always been an autocracy.

> Russians have literally had 8 years of democracy in the past 600+ years, otherwise it's always been an autocracy. To pin this on the Russian people is ludicrous. I think Russia has been consistently dealt a bad hand when it comes to leadership. And interference from the "west" has also been a negative influence in modern times. Consider Lenin[1] and western economic advice that led to the looting of the Russian sta…

Whom else should one pin it on, if not the people??? Constantly abetting and abiding dictatorship is ultimately the responsibility of those who abet and abide it.

No Space Aliens came down in their UFOs and bequeathed enlightenment and democracy on anyone else in the world either. It's up to each people themselves.

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by CRConrad »

mejutoco wrote: post #154
waihtis wrote: post #134

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I'm not pinning anything on anyone. The parent comment claimed that "Russians like strong leaders" is a falsehood yet the history claims otherwise.

This might have happenned in the past without people liking/approving of it. History does not prove any liking here.

They obviously liked it enough not to do anything about it.

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Post by CRConrad »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #194
waihtis wrote: post #109

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More democratic to what? To an autocracy? Yes by definition

That's not really an argument. All you've done is label the Yeltsin administration a democracy, and the Putin administration an autocracy, and then told me a democracy is more democratic than an autocracy. What I specifically want to hear from you - presumably someone knowledgeable about the political history of the Russian Federation - is how the Yeltsin administration was more democratic. Because my understanding i…

> how the Yeltsin administration was more democratic. Because my understanding is that the Yeltsin administration was extremely unstable

You seem to have your categories mixed up: Democratic or not is orthogonal to stable or not.

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by CRConrad »

waihtis wrote: post #224
LAC-Tech wrote: post #219

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Do you not keep up to date? I live in New Zealand, a western democratic country and if I possess or share "objectionable material" of a political nature, I could land in jail for up to 14 years. And usually has a pretty light touch on this kind of stuff compared to Australia, Canada or the UK. So no, that in itself is not enough to prove to me that Russia is an autocratic dictatorship, when parliamentary democracies…

> Do you not keep up to date? I live in New Zealand, a western democratic country and if I possess or share "objectionable material" of a political nature, I could land in jail for up to 14 years. What exactly? I could not find anything by Googling on material which would land you in jail for 14 years.

Ch*d p*n, at a guess?

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by waihtis »

CRConrad wrote: post #234
waihtis wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you not keep up to date? I live in New Zealand, a western democratic country and if I possess or share "objectionable material" of a political nature, I could land in jail for up to 14 years. What exactly? I could not find anything by Googling on material which would land you in jail for 14 years.

Ch*d p*n, at a guess?

Well that's a given - but I really hope this dude isn't advocating for looser CP laws..

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by fho »

tialaramex wrote: post #97
fho wrote: post #79

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I mean ... That's what's cryptography is for. Making sure that what you receive is from the sender you expect it from. Ie sign the current data package plus the current time. Receivers ignore everything with an incorrect timestamp and/or wrong signature. Now you only have to make sure that you don't lose your private keys.

But these signals are from the real GPS birds, and they are really the ones for Las Vegas three weeks ago. They are completely authentic.

Yep ... and they (should) contain signed timestamps from three weeks ago ... so you ignore them.

The thing with GPS is that it is also a time source, so you'd need a secondary source for your time to confirm that you are not off by three weeks.

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by CRConrad »

GrothendieckA wrote: post #197
waihtis wrote: post #3

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Suggesting Russians are playing a rational game here? I think the cover has been pulled on the Russian "master strategy".. it's literally a hierarchy of terror and lies, where everyone will do whatever it takes to please the irrational autocrat. I have been spamming this lecture everywhere since the war started and again I think anyone who's still questioning the Russian operative reality should watch it: Evaluation…

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> These two articles will be more insightful than (sorry) any made up theories from Finnish intelligence colonel.

Or, as people used to languages with articles would be more likely to say, from a Finnish intelligence colonel.

(You know, Slavic languages' lack of the articles make really easy spot native speakers write English.)

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by CRConrad »

waihtis wrote: post #235
CRConrad wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ch*d p*n, at a guess?

Well that's a given - but I really hope this dude isn't advocating for looser CP laws..

No, AFAICT just pointing out that "You can be jailed for up to X years just for having stuff on your computer!" goes for Western[1] countries, too. Factually correct, of course (the best kind of correct), but employed here in the service of some pretty hefty whataboutism.

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[1]: "Western"?!? NZ is about as far East as you can get, innit? Oh well, you know, "generally regarded as non-dictatorships".

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by CRConrad »

andai wrote: post #190
waihtis wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suggesting Russians are playing a rational game here? I think the cover has been pulled on the Russian "master strategy".. it's literally a hierarchy of terror and lies, where everyone will do whatever it takes to please the irrational autocrat. I have been spamming this lecture everywhere since the war started and again I think anyone who's still questioning the Russian operative reality should watch it: Evaluation…

I copied the subtitles here if anyone prefers to read the transcript: https://ghostbin.com/tjYA8/raw (Somewhat amusingly, Pastebin refused to accept it due to "objectionable content")

Unfortunately the translation is not quite perfect. Hilarious bit, when he talks about the opera A life for the Czar:[1] "...for the Tsar to be saved from the gut..." No, from a swamp, I would think. (Unless it was the Biblical Czar Jonah?) Understandable, though: The Finnish for "swamp" is "suo"; for "gut", "suoli". Due to the agglutineration(?) Finnish grammar is based on, "a bit of gut, some entrails" becomes "suol-ta", while "from [a|the] swamp" becomes "suo-lta". Both of course spelled without the hyphen I put in here for illustrative purposes, and "suolta" pronounced identically in both cases. But still, which would a Czar need saving from -- a swamp, or someone's gut?!?

So, TL;DR: IMO the subtitles are somewhat weak on concluding the correct wording from context.

Oh, and I can't access your link at all. Locked/blocked/taken down? Perhaps there's a time limit on this ghostbin thingy?

[EDIT:] Changed my somewhat un-charitable "the translation is far from perfect" to "not quite": They got "Laiska Jaakko" ("Lazy Jacob"[2]) --> "Jacob de la Gardie" right[3], bravo! [/EDIT]

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[1]: https://youtu.be/kF9KretXqJw?t=1114

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_De_la_Gardie#Death_and_l...

[3]: https://youtu.be/kF9KretXqJw?t=1553

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by CRConrad »

sega_sai wrote: post #122
waihtis wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suggesting Russians are playing a rational game here? I think the cover has been pulled on the Russian "master strategy".. it's literally a hierarchy of terror and lies, where everyone will do whatever it takes to please the irrational autocrat. I have been spamming this lecture everywhere since the war started and again I think anyone who's still questioning the Russian operative reality should watch it: Evaluation…

I started to watch it and it was indeed interesting, till it reached the point where the presenter claimed that Khodorkovsky was jailed because he stole too much. That's just plain false, and kind'a casts doubt on how expert is this expert. He was jailed for his political stance, that he didn't want to bow down to Putin. It's true that his first sentence for various tax dodging schemes in the 90s (that many at the ti…

I think he knew that, but used Khodorkovsky as his example of "stole too much" because he just stole so much.
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