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Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by fortnum »

JohnWhigham wrote: post #218
fortnum wrote: post #100

Have been a strong(!) advocate for Firefox for years. Now it is time to switch. Not sure where to yet, Chrome is not any better, Palemoon is not exactly well supported. Maybe Brave, Vivaldi, or Opera, though they are all Chrome-based as well. Difficult decision and not very happy about it, as I do think we need more than just one browser engine, but I can't support Mozilla any more.

Your only options are Webkit-based browsers or FF forks that are frequently behind and will probably croak sometime in the future.

I realise that. That is exactly my concern, however sometimes one has to make concessions.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by parineum »

obviouslynotme wrote: post #223
37 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just for the record, what is it that Google is paying them $500M/yr to do? I haven't installed Firefox for while, is Google the default search engine or something? edit: Upon more searching, I find passages like this: >in 2020, Mozilla Corporation’s revenue was $466 million from its search partnerships (largely driven by its search deal with Google), subscriptions and advertising revenue. [0] as well as a fine from F…

Google pays Mozilla to exist. I wouldn't be surprised if other browsers get either checks or favors for existing. All of this is to make Google not seem like the monopoly it is.

It literally isn't a browser monopoly. Whether they fund them or not, Firefox and Safari are equally useable browsers.

I use Firefox as a daily driver in both desktop and mobile and have zero issues.

Hell, chromium can do everything chrome can.

Maybe they're a monopoly in the online advertising space but I'd argue that's simply because they're better.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by MrDisposable »

smt88 wrote: post #12
mistrial9 wrote: post #2

can we recognize the difference between civilians (people) and armed participants in conflict (military) in this discussion?

The deal is simple: when Russia stops slaughtering Ukrainian civilians, the rest of the world will stop isolating their economy. It's much like the shipping blockades that were used against the European Axis countries in WWII. Russian civilians should consider themselves lucky that the war is only economic for them.

> The deal is simple: when Russia stops slaughtering Ukrainian civilians, the rest of the world will stop isolating their economy.

The world will not stop isolating Russia while Putin is still in power. And even after he's gone (death from natural causes in 10 to 15 years), it will take another 5 years to partially recover our relationship with the world. The full recovery will never happen.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by leosarev »

klausjensen wrote: post #96
BirAdam wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An invasion of Russia would risk the destruction of the entire globe by nuclear weaponry. Ousting Putin and destabilizing Russia would increase the risk of nuclear weaponry making its way to more violent regimes. I do not think either of those is particularly wise.

More violent regimes than Russia?? I am not sure they exist right now. Nobody else is threatening nuclear war, while invading a peaceful neighbouring country, slaughtering civilians.

I understand that you have language barrier and can't, for example, watch Ukrainian TV. Have you ever seen President Poroshenko bragging on national TV about how he will make Donetsk children hide in basement? Have you ever seen Arestovich, current aide to President Zelensky, two years ago, saying on national TV that large scale war with Russia is only possible way for Ukraine? Have you ever seen Ukrainian pupils chanting Moscalaku na gilyaku? Don't take my words for granted, translate this words yourself. I suggest you'll Google that videos before saying Ukrainian government is peaceful next time

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by MrDisposable »

BirAdam wrote: post #36
smt88 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The deal is simple: when Russia stops slaughtering Ukrainian civilians, the rest of the world will stop isolating their economy. It's much like the shipping blockades that were used against the European Axis countries in WWII. Russian civilians should consider themselves lucky that the war is only economic for them.

So, by your moral standard, the entire Earth should have isolated the US economy when the US government/military was killing Iraqi and Afghani civilians and destroying non-military targets, right? The entire planet should also be isolating Saudi Arabia for its genocidal war in Yemen? These things are done without the consent of the governed, and these things are often done without even the knowledge of the general pu…

Not the OP, but "yes" on the US, and "yes" on the Saudis. "Yes" for ANY country waging ANY war. But, sadly, that won't ever happen.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by parineum »

asveikau wrote: post #142
nelsondev wrote: post #139

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Two wrongs don’t make a right.

That's correct. And we can't draw false equivalences either; we should consider the scale of the wrong. For example, I would consider loss of life to be quite a bit worse than loss of Yandex.

>For example, I would consider loss of life to be quite a bit worse than loss of Yandex.

That'd be a fine choice if it was actually the choice.

Instead you lose Yandex and all the people still die.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by MrDisposable »

sarma912 wrote: post #60
BirAdam wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, by your moral standard, the entire Earth should have isolated the US economy when the US government/military was killing Iraqi and Afghani civilians and destroying non-military targets, right? The entire planet should also be isolating Saudi Arabia for its genocidal war in Yemen? These things are done without the consent of the governed, and these things are often done without even the knowledge of the general pu…

As a brown person I keep asking myself this everyday, it doesn't seem fair at all. If you raise the point you're making you'll be drowned out with "don't bring me your whataboutism, lives are being lost as we speak". Brown lives have been lost for quite a while now ...

Exactly this, on all counts. Killing brown civilians is somehow fine, while killing white civilians is somehow isn't.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by dotcoma »

parineum wrote: post #362
obviouslynotme wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google pays Mozilla to exist. I wouldn't be surprised if other browsers get either checks or favors for existing. All of this is to make Google not seem like the monopoly it is.

It literally isn't a browser monopoly. Whether they fund them or not, Firefox and Safari are equally useable browsers. I use Firefox as a daily driver in both desktop and mobile and have zero issues. Hell, chromium can do everything chrome can. Maybe they're a monopoly in the online advertising space but I'd argue that's simply because they're better.

Firefox is Mozilla‘a browser, and it would be gone tomorrow without the money they get from Google.

Safari is a contender on phones, not so much on desktop.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by sjmm1989 »

shyiko wrote: post #323
sjmm1989 wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Annndddd our own media conglomerates will shill propaganda and censor people who they disagree with all the time as well. Not saying that this exonerates Russia or Yandex, but if you think we shouldn't be able to use Yandex's translation service because of the other things it has done; then you best get ready to stop using google, facebook, reddit and twitter too; along with all the services attached to them. They al…

> I just said it was a shame that this all means that we won't be able to use a superior auto-translation product. How is that a problem. Neither https://translate.yandex.ru/ nor https://yandex.ru/ are being blocked. You can still use them if you want to (including as a search engine - https://superuser.com/questions/7327/how-to-add-a-custom-sea... ). This affects Firefox *defaults* only.

Yeah, but that's just the start. The fact Firefox did it at all is a sure sign of more to come.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by sjmm1989 »

shyiko wrote: post #331
sjmm1989 wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Annndddd our own media conglomerates will shill propaganda and censor people who they disagree with all the time as well. Not saying that this exonerates Russia or Yandex, but if you think we shouldn't be able to use Yandex's translation service because of the other things it has done; then you best get ready to stop using google, facebook, reddit and twitter too; along with all the services attached to them. They al…

> That's the thing about sanctions and such. When you take away some things, you gotta try to replace them somehow with something as good or better. What do you feel when you see things like https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/te6k7b/could_you_a... ? (safe to watch; there is no NSF stuff). Do you really believe sanctioning companies that aide the government that does this and worse are not justified or need "re…

Look, I'm not here for a moral lecture from you. I'm part Ukrainian, okay. But I like the service that the Yandex translator provided. Firefox removing it from their defaults is just the beginning. I can see the rest of the internet moving in to remove it all together somehow if they could, since Firefox just removed it from their defaults. It's a first start.

Now, for the love of all that is good; stop trying to lecture people on morals when you have no right to.

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