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Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by stonewareslord »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #241
stonewareslord wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did it really cross a red line for you? I feel like Firefox is judged much more harshly than Chrome and it's unfair. Mozilla the company has made some terrible decisions that I strongly disagree with (update page featuring a movie ad, pocket integration, removing a search engine from the defaults, nerfing android addons for no reason) But compared to every other browser, I don't understand how people think it's even…

> I feel like Firefox is judged much more harshly than Chrome and it's unfair. Mozilla claimed that their mission was to empower users. Some people are more upset by hypocrisy than the actual actions. If they want to change https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ from "More power to you." to, say, "More power to us." then I'd personally be a lot less irritated at them. (This isn't specifically a comment on the current subject…

I do understand the frustration with things like that but I just think people forget the big picture. Totaling all annoyances and negatives about Mozilla (which are a lot) against the competition makes me seriously glad I don't use them.

This hypocracy+everything I listed about FF+everything else Mozilla has done is a drop in the bucket compared to the user-hostile world that is Edge/Brave/Chrome.

To be clear: I agree with you. I harden Firefox because their defaults do not make me happy. But it's going to take a whole lot more bad decisions before they're worse than their competition.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by stonewareslord »

aufhebung wrote: post #110
fortnum wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest answer :) Because I do not condone that move. It will be difficult because I have been using Firefox for years and tried to avoid anything Chrome-based and I am not very happy with Google's Manifest v3 approach, but Mozilla just crossed a red line for me.

Can't you just manually put yandex search in? Seems like an odd place to be putting a red line.

As far as I know, Firefox is the easiest browser to add this back in. Right click on basically any search box and Add A Search Shortcut and you can bind it to "ya" or something.

Similar to duck duck go bangs but it has to be a prefix and ! Isn't required. w => wipedia, y => youtube

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by shyiko »

sjmm1989 wrote: post #317
shyiko wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yandex has been promoting Russian propaganda/censoring Navalny/etc. for years and you complain about inconvenience of using a different translation service?

Annndddd our own media conglomerates will shill propaganda and censor people who they disagree with all the time as well. Not saying that this exonerates Russia or Yandex, but if you think we shouldn't be able to use Yandex's translation service because of the other things it has done; then you best get ready to stop using google, facebook, reddit and twitter too; along with all the services attached to them. They al…

> I just said it was a shame that this all means that we won't be able to use a superior auto-translation product. How is that a problem.

Neither https://translate.yandex.ru/ nor https://yandex.ru/ are being blocked. You can still use them if you want to (including as a search engine - https://superuser.com/questions/7327/how-to-add-a-custom-sea...). This affects Firefox *defaults* only.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by moralestapia »

sharikous wrote: post #230
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #97

Firefox was going off the rails for a while now. Notice, the worse they become the more they will indulge in politics, censorship, emotional blackmail instead of doing their jobs: building a better browser.

I don't understand this claim. If Mozilla is so awful at developing Firefox, why isn't anyone forking it? Open source is not an empty slogan

Why isn't anyone willing to commit a few million dollars per year plus lots of human resources for not much in return forking it? FTFY

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by AnonC »

dataflow wrote: post #165
nix0n wrote: post #40

The release notes for 98.0.1[0] are more clear: > Yandex and Mail.ru have been removed as optional search providers in the drop-down search menu in Firefox. [0] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/98.0.1/releasenotes/

Off-topic, but Firefox is on 98 already? isn't Chrome on 99 too? Was their goal to "catch up" or something?

Yes, when Google Chrome started doing more frequent releases with new major version numbers, there was an impression that Chrome was newer and better while Firefox was still old and lagging with a low (single digit) version number. Then Firefox shifted to doing a release once every six weeks, and over the years, the major version number has closed in on Chrome and will overtake it soon.

On a related note, Firefox does have LTS (long term support) releases for enterprises or users who don’t want to move so fast. As I recall, Chrome was late to the LTS party, and before that it was forcing upgrades (because they happen periodically, behind the scenes) on users.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by [deleted] »

Storm6473 wrote: post #300
mmastrac wrote: post #282

I am consistently disappointed by any thread involving Mozilla on Hacker News. Somehow Mozilla is held to an impossible standard. For the one company out there holding the internet away from a WebKit monoculture, they sure get the short end of the stick by people here.

I'm also confused by the reaction here. Firefox isn't censoring anything. Yandex is no longer listed as a default search engine but, as others have pointed out, you can add it back if you want it. Firefox, at least where I am in the US, also doesn't list Baidu as a possible search engine. If Firefox had decided to remove Google from this list because of privacy issues, HN would be cheering loudest.

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Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

stonewareslord wrote: post #321
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I feel like Firefox is judged much more harshly than Chrome and it's unfair. Mozilla claimed that their mission was to empower users. Some people are more upset by hypocrisy than the actual actions. If they want to change https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ from "More power to you." to, say, "More power to us." then I'd personally be a lot less irritated at them. (This isn't specifically a comment on the current subject…

I do understand the frustration with things like that but I just think people forget the big picture. Totaling all annoyances and negatives about Mozilla (which are a lot) against the competition makes me seriously glad I don't use them. This hypocracy+everything I listed about FF+everything else Mozilla has done is a drop in the bucket compared to the user-hostile world that is Edge/Brave/Chrome. To be clear: I agre…

I think we agree, then; I'm writing this from Firefox:) It's just that being the least-bad option seems a more hollow victory with every incident, and if a genuinely good option ever showed up I'd jump happily.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by boomboomsubban »

0xy wrote: post #311
mmastrac wrote: post #282

I am consistently disappointed by any thread involving Mozilla on Hacker News. Somehow Mozilla is held to an impossible standard. For the one company out there holding the internet away from a WebKit monoculture, they sure get the short end of the stick by people here.

The CEO raised her own wage repeatedly while the Firefox market share tanked, during which she directed spending to useless projects that were all eventually shelved and proceeded to plaster Firefox in ads (full page after update) when it became obvious her strategy was an abject failure. Firefox development itself has been rudderless and lethargic for a long time. WebKit introduced backdrop filters 7 years ago and F…

Baker became provisional CEO in December 2019, and formally took the job in 2020. We only have salary information for one year she held the position, if that. I'm not sure if 2019 or 2020 is the last available.

And when executive salaries were rising and user share dropping, revenues were way up. From $120 million in 2010 to $520 million in 2016. Of course some of that will go to the people in charge.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by BlueTemplar »

ummonk wrote: post #272
BlueTemplar wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once the war in Ukraine is over, maybe there's an opportunity here to focus a boycott on them ?

The war in Yemen started first. Why should we be focused on Ukraine when the war in Yemen isn’t over?

We probably shouldn't, but we already are.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by BlueTemplar »

rvz wrote: post #176
BlueTemplar wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It allows for decentralized payment systems. The problem is that the downsides so far make it not worth it, usually.

> The problem is that the downsides so far make it not worth it, usually. How so? Could you please elaborate? We already know that Bitcoin and Ethereum are not the only cryptocurrencies that exist for payments and there are better ones that are used for payments.

Feels like you're the one that should elaborate which ones and why ?
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