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Jailed Navalny calls for anti-war protests across Russia on Sunday

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Re: Jailed Navalny calls for anti-war protests across Russia on Sunday

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"But on review, Amnesty International concluded that comments made by Navalny some 15 years ago, including a video which appears to compare immigrants to cockroaches, amounted to "hate speech" which was incompatible with the label "prisoner of conscience"." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56181084

note to others: there are different levels of asshole. There are those who are bigots and there are those who would murder a nation to assuage his ego, they are usually not the same.

Indeed you are right, no moral equivalence is implied.

But in the long run, white supremacists should not be looked to as an appropriate or effective opposition to Putin.

And it is interesting that the western media can't find any one else to be the face of liberal democracy in Russia, is it because they can't find one or because they are just too lazy to check Navalny's actual position on things.

Re: Jailed Navalny calls for anti-war protests across Russia on Sunday

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Putin needs some plausible excuse to scale back his "special operation" without looking like a lightweight or a loser, and big protests throughout Russia would give him just that. So this is a very shrewd move by Navalny that just might work to tip things over, even though you would rightly expect such protests to be generally ineffective.

This would be a horrible approach, surely. He would give his citizens the precedent that exerting pressure on the regime yields results.

Well, even mainstream Russian TV started to criticize the war. Recently there were two guests, one a film director and another a member of their Duma (parliament), and they both said the war has to stop (for different reasons). Famously, the director said that the suffering of one group of innocent people (real of alleged - the Russians in Donbas) will not be alleviated by suffering of another innocent group of people. This sane rhetoric is quite rare in public Russian TV so my guess is they are preparing some room for potential retreat, or whatever they will call it.

Re: Jailed Navalny calls for anti-war protests across Russia on Sunday

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would be a horrible approach, surely. He would give his citizens the precedent that exerting pressure on the regime yields results.

Well, even mainstream Russian TV started to criticize the war. Recently there were two guests, one a film director and another a member of their Duma (parliament), and they both said the war has to stop (for different reasons). Famously, the director said that the suffering of one group of innocent people (real of alleged - the Russians in Donbas) will not be alleviated by suffering of another innocent group of peopl…

This is was a bit of a misinterpretation of the exchange in the viral tweet I think you're referring to. Consider as well that the other 7 guests, as well as the next three days' incarnation of the talk show, were all-in on pro-regime propaganda. Tthat Russia is just pre-empting an inevitable war against the US and NATO in Ukraine; that Biden has bioweapons labs in Ukraine; that the Americans launched their russophobic sanctions with the "special military operation" as an excuse, and an absurdly implausible excuse at that; also that said sanctions will hurt the Americans a lot more than they hurt Russians.

Re: Jailed Navalny calls for anti-war protests across Russia on Sunday

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Serious question. How has this guy not fallen out of his jail cell window? What are the politics that keeps him alive?

Don't want to create a martyr...

I'm pleasantly surprised he was able to get the message out at all...

Per the article "He is able to publish social media posts through his lawyers and allies.".

Although this will be the last message that Russians will see from him on Instagram since Instagram will be banned in Russia as of March 14th (tomorrow).

Translation of his post....

"The most important people" is a stupid expression. Well, how do you define them? All important, and it is impossible to weigh all the factors that determine the importance of people.

In peacetime.

And now, I think, we can say that the most important people on the planet - those who in Moscow, St. Petersburg and other cities went out and will go again to anti-war rallies.Mad maniac Putin will most quickly be stopped by the people of Russia now if they oppose the war.

And it's a tough marathon. Fight for exhaustion. With fear and arrests. But it's definitely not a futile fight. Not a symbolic gesture of desperation.

Look even official, court sociology. They say 71% are for the war, 29% are against. Even if we believe it, it turns out that every third person supports the anti-war movement at the start. And this was before the war hit us too, with sanctions and economic disaster. Until the main horror of the war - coffins with sons returning to their mothers.

I am speaking to you as a viewer. Even the official figure of the losses of the Russian army - 498 people - was not mentioned on TV NEVER.

The picture of what is happening, drawn by Putin’s propaganda: there are almost no deaths on both sides, the Ukrainian army has fled, there is almost no destruction, “gangs of Nazis” have settled in some places, but they will soon be destroyed. Ukrainians meet Russian tanks with flowers.

To live such a picture of the world - even in the minds of the most stupid and stubborn - is not long.

Re: Jailed Navalny calls for anti-war protests across Russia on Sunday

#28
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

note to others: there are different levels of asshole. There are those who are bigots and there are those who would murder a nation to assuage his ego, they are usually not the same.

Indeed you are right, no moral equivalence is implied. But in the long run, white supremacists should not be looked to as an appropriate or effective opposition to Putin. And it is interesting that the western media can't find any one else to be the face of liberal democracy in Russia, is it because they can't find one or because they are just too lazy to check Navalny's actual position on things.

Everything that can take down Putin is an ally of mine.

Once Putin is taken down, we will discuss about the appropriateness of this or the other leader.

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