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Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by mpfundstein »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #64
fleddr wrote: post #50

Never before was the open internet challenged this hard, and never before has it failed so hard. Under pressure, every single thing is subject to politics and cancellation: browsers, search engines, search results, social media, cloud infrastructure, payment systems and even money itself. None pass the test of being open or neutral. At this rate, your much hated crypto folks may actually start to have a point. Kind o…

So why can't we just build our own infrastructure? It's not as though you need spectacular sums of money to run a search engine or a social media platform. You need a few decent engineers for sure and you probably won't get rich from it, but most of this is demonstrably doable even without clouds.

how do you build all the underlying infra?

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by ogurechny »

bastawhiz wrote: post #59
leosarev wrote: post #4

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Why this even relevant? I want to talk about Mozilla Firefox removing control from the user, which was their promise for years. I don't see difference between them doing it for political message, or Google doing it for profit.

> Mozilla Firefox removing control from the user Did they? You can still add Yandex back manually (and trivially), it's just not included with the stock install.

It was not “just not included”, it was removed for everyone, no matter whether they wanted to use it or not. Maybe lizardmen from Mozilla are so detached they consider that all users just suck up and eat what's on the plate today, but some regular people use Yandex search because they have mail there, keep themselves logged in, have configured other services, need something for their work daily, yada yada. So they open the browser and see a tiny panel stating “FUCK YOU”. And it's not tech-savvy users (responding with “fuck you too” and fixing the problem) who get bitten and poached, it's the regular people.

There is a reason to think the actual goal of all that radio silence was preventing people from trivially switching to Yandex manually in advance of the change.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by sarma912 »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #69
sarma912 wrote: post #66

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You're not helping.

I'm sorry but comments that harken back to ye old Rome are infuriating and it leaves a sour taste in ones mouth. I know this war is bad, but man people need to just own up, otherwise none of us can more forward. Pax Americana is fine, but you don't get to kill people and then turn back and tell me to wave a flag because grand old Europe is having it's "freedom" threatened.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by marginalia_nu »

mpfundstein wrote: post #71
marginalia_nu wrote: post #64

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So why can't we just build our own infrastructure? It's not as though you need spectacular sums of money to run a search engine or a social media platform. You need a few decent engineers for sure and you probably won't get rich from it, but most of this is demonstrably doable even without clouds.

how do you build all the underlying infra?

Barring a complete shut-down of the Internet, simply making these applications cheap enough to operate would make them virtually impossible to control or stamp out.

They've been trying to shut down BitTorrent almost two decades, without much failures. They nailed the TPB guys to a cross, but that did all of nothing to actually shut bit-torrent itself down.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by kazinator »

m0ngr31 wrote: post #76
Tagbert wrote: post #53

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This seems to be solidly on the side of justice.

Should they have blocked Google and Bing after the invasion of Iraq?

Bing didn't exist in 2003 (launched in 2009), and I don't think that Firefox ("Firebird" at the time) had a search bar with search engines.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by marginalia_nu »

walrus01 wrote: post #70
marginalia_nu wrote: post #64

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So why can't we just build our own infrastructure? It's not as though you need spectacular sums of money to run a search engine or a social media platform. You need a few decent engineers for sure and you probably won't get rich from it, but most of this is demonstrably doable even without clouds.

go work for few years for a facilities-based last mile and middle mile ISP that runs things at the OSI layer 1 and 2 level of the internet and then tell me if you think your statement is accurate.

I don't mean we should build a parallel internet, I mean we should build enough redundancy into the Internet's public services that they become effectively impossible to exert control over.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by CamperBob2 »

sarma912 wrote: post #74
CamperBob2 wrote: post #69

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You're not helping.

I'm sorry but comments that harken back to ye old Rome are infuriating and it leaves a sour taste in ones mouth. I know this war is bad, but man people need to just own up, otherwise none of us can more forward. Pax Americana is fine, but you don't get to kill people and then turn back and tell me to wave a flag because grand old Europe is having it's "freedom" threatened.

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