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I thought about something like that too but than there are dialogues which are already hard to understand because they're not loud enough just before you get blasted with sound effects again...well yeah..one more reason why I don't go to the movies so much anymore.

The types of ear plugs for music are high-fidelity and barely distort the sounds you actually want to hear, like dialogue.

Can you recommend a product?

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Another enormous gripe I have with modern movies, other than the (lack of) interesting moral lessons from OP, is the sound design. Loud explosions and music, with quiet, mumbled lines[1]. I'm forced to watch every movie with subtitles on, or to miss a good chunk of the dialogue. And I'd go beyond that, and blame the mumbled lines for our lack of interesting quotes. It's a lot harder to have unexpected turns of phrase…

I agree with you on the former, not the latter. I find the "mumbling" more realistic dialogue (often in scenes where the script is supposed to be cramped and confusing) and feels more like natural human interaction.

But the imbalance of dynamics makes it problematic.

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Completely agree with this guy. New movies inevitably seem to teach strange lessons that make you uneasy and kind of feel bad when you leave the cinema or turn of the screen. Superhero movies used to be about growth. Yet now it's more often than not the case that the hero was simply born awesome. Completely uninteresting. Politics also creeps into movies in a disconcerted way. Star Wars is suddenly not about defeatin…

> Star Wars is suddenly not about defeating totalitarianism and tyranny,

It's a massive universe and there's been six movies about this theme already. Why retread old themes instead of trying something new? By the way, I am NOT defending the new trilogy - it is absolutely awful, but it's not awful BECAUSE it's about feminism and animal rights (also, it isn't, it's still about totalitarianism and tyranny).

> Batman become a medic rather than do what Batmam does: beat up bad guys.

Again, there have been anywhere between 9-10 batman movies depending on how you count of him beating up bad guys. Why do you need more? Why not try something new and really interrogate the psychopathy of the character, and the realization he might go through which is that beating up bad guys isn't the best use of time for a billionaire.

> Catwoman must be with the times and complain about the attention paid to "rich white men"

Did you miss the part where her mother and her best friend were both essentially sex slaves that got choked to death by the italian mafia? If anyone has a case and a grudge against "rich white men", it's probably her.

Also, the whole movie, is about how rich corrupt people let the whole city down.

I haven't seen the new Bond movie, but if they actually had the balls to kill him, that's tremendous progress.

Why are you so resistant to any change?

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> Why does this have to be male centric? I didn't say it had to?

I'll rephrase. What makes this more central to male storytelling in particular?

Mostly just precedent. Male action heroes tend to be fighters. Even clever Odysseus just straight up murders all of this foes when he returns to Ithaca.

Female action heroes are generally few, and many of them that are, are either more tricksters or agile or just kind of oversexualized replicas of the male variety. Many of them tend to be physically weaker than their opponents even at the climax of their films and overcome it through other means whereas male action heroes will more frequently prove themselves to be superior in a pure battle of fisticuffs, sometimes even sacrificing an advantage they have so that they can "fight like a man". Consider, perhaps, Ripley from Alien and Aliens. Always underpowered. Uses a loader suit for her final confrontation.

Captain Marvel is undeniably aware of the gender connotations here. It's a pretty explicitly mentioned barrier when they discuss how women couldn't be fighter pilots. She's unusual in that she's just a powerful bruiser kind of female and is way more powerful than her foes.

Would it be entertaining to watch a bunch more female (or male) led films that take this same approach? God no. Fights are fun. If you want to subvert that for an interesting message it's got to be somewhat novel each time.

Though personally I think fights are more entertaining when they're not clearly aligned with any moral message. John Wick, perhaps, as a counterexample.

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A character who is put down, becomes angry, then becomes powerful and carries that anger forward. Yawn. That is the background of about half of comic characters. Compare Captain America. He was week and abused, became powerful, but actively decides not to carry baggage. It is a fish-out-of-water character that has to constantly reconcile ideology with army-inspired pragmatism and loyalty. And he has a foil (Iron Man)…

Replace captain marvel with a man or an alien or anything and you still got the same story. Captain marvel being a woman adds no value or difference in this story.

It certainly adds value to young girls who are otherwise told that they cannot be action heroes- a conversation which is explicitly held in the film with respect to the female fighter pilots

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post #363

I liked this video. With the glaring exception of wandavision. Characters in that series are constantly telling her that what she is doing is wrong. There is no ambiguity that it's an evil selfish thing she is doing. It's also unintentional and subconscious because she can't control her powers and frankly she is weak. Her sacrifice is the loss of her children and husband because she recognizes she has to restore free…

In the early part of my journey into Wandavision I had no idea why things were the way they were, what was real, or what was the point of what I was watching. It was very unsettling to not be able to tell what was real, even in my reality, and for that I LOVED IT. The last time that happened to me was probably the first Matrix in theater.

Yes the beginning was fantastic. Such a shame about the big budget ending.

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I think captain marvel is an interesting one on this note. It is a problem in recent films that writers want to overpower women to make things fair, and they do a disservice to the women by doing so. Captain marvel seems to address this directly and in a more mature way. Her character does start weak. She is shown losing repeated to her officer in physical fights and feeling inferior. Later she becomes the most power…

,, I think captain marvel is an interesting one on this note. It is a problem in recent films that writers want to overpower women to make things fair, and they do a disservice to the women by doing so’’ It’s about making money: social media gives young pretty women more power than any other large group of people ever in human history (especially if they give up their morals), and of course many of them want to belie…

I fear you may not have realized you have already become a curmudgeonly old man

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I think captain marvel is an interesting one on this note. It is a problem in recent films that writers want to overpower women to make things fair, and they do a disservice to the women by doing so. Captain marvel seems to address this directly and in a more mature way. Her character does start weak. She is shown losing repeated to her officer in physical fights and feeling inferior. Later she becomes the most power…

Captain Marvel's reference to being too emotional is a specific feminist shibboleth ( https://geekfeminism.fandom.com/wiki/You%27re_being_emotiona ...), which is "not explicitly a gender thing" only because that's how shibboleths work. It's absolutely a gender thing, if not explicitly one.

It's both, of course. Being too emotional is clearly a common female stereotype. The call of the antagonist is to "fight him like a man", which is a common male stereotype.

She dispels the first, but refuses to accept his premise for the latter. I think it's pretty great. It's a generalizeable message to either gender of course.

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It's mostly because Hollywood is creatively bankrupt and eking out diminishing returns from strip-mining the Star Wars or Marvel universes.

The odd thing is, quality video production has become much more affordable with the end of film and rise of mirrorless video cameras and NLE consoles running on commodity PCs. SFX has gone up in price but is not required for every movie, so you would expect an explosion of creativity, not the industry hunkering down around a limited number of franchises and sequels.

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