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Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by Kon-Peki »

user_named wrote: post #144
nathansherburn wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you! As someone considering flying my family out of China soon I had a rush of fear reading that headline!

If you want them to avoid lockdown you better fly them out now and not in two weeks.

It may be too late. My family members decided to leave 3 weeks ago, and just arrived at O’Hare last night. International flights are very limited, but they generally do not go where you need them to go. So you have an additional layer of finding connections to where you need to go. You may have to wait weeks for available seats on the multiple airplanes you will have to use.

One thing that I didn’t realize is that getting back into China/HK is not easy either. My brother will spend 2 weeks here in the US getting his wife and kids set up and then go back to work. But before he can get back in and spend 3 weeks in quarantine, he will have to go spend 2 weeks in Germany to “decontaminate” himself from spending time in the US!!!

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Post by lobstey »

logicchains wrote: post #239
pinetlk wrote: post #195

It seems the 0-covid policy is a negative consequence of having so many people so close together. It changes the dynamic of infectious diseases so that you suddenly have 100k people die instead of 100. Still, I am strongly against lockdowns and mandates and so on. The cure is much worse than the disease from my perspective. I have no concern over covid, all of my concern is over what the government will do next. Will…

>It seems the 0-covid policy is a negative consequence of having so many people so close together If you look at cities by population density, China isn't even in the top ten: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_proper_by_popul... . Some Indian cities have higher population density than any in China, but they did fine without lockdown.

Did fine means 500k death in COVID?

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Post by dragonsh »

1_player wrote: post #222
dragonsh wrote: post #196

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Do we need to have a vaccine contrarian every damn thread posted on this forum and anywhere else on the Internet? We as a society have been over this for 2 years, and every time it's the same ignorant arguments that keep being debunked, and like clockwork every time there's someone ready to voice their pet opinion about the pandemic that goes against any research and common sense. It's like the hellish version of xkc…

> a vaccine contrarian

My response was related to above post regarding Sinovac given Pfizer and Moderna are similar against Omicron.

Not a vaccine contrarian just one of the person who got infected after booster shot, will take a vaccine again but science has one trait which is self correction and overwhelming data shows that Omicron is mild whether vaccinated or not vaccinated. So its better to do a clinical trials and studies not funded by Pharma industry or interest groups, objectively to determine if Omicron played a pivotal role and not vaccine in reducing Covid-19 fatality globally.

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Post by powerapple »

elric wrote: post #36

Only a thousand daily cases in a country with a population of 1G? That's either very impressive, or very impressively underreported. For comparison, Belgium currently has 10 times as many daily new cases, with a population that's 100 times smaller (and no lockdown).

It is real, the country has been covid free since late 2020. How can you under report virus being covid free? The title is very misleading. It is not China locks down, it is a few cities will have affected communities locked down. Mostly massive testing, contract tracing and then resume to normal once cases are back to normal. My parents are in affect areas, people are less worries about the cases due the minor effect on new variant.

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Post by ulfw »

EGreg wrote: post #62
benjaminwootton wrote: post #50

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Omnicron in particular is so low impact that the response is primarily political, especially when you have vaccines and some pre existing immunity. Countries can choose to pretty much ignore it or go crazy over it as the politicians and Twitter demand. We just got bored of it in the UK and moved onto Boris’s parties and now Ukraine.

Omicron could be the best thing that happened -- a mild, very infectious variant that gives everyone NATURAL herd immunity to the entire coronavirus family. Why are politicians so afraid of it?

"a mild, very infectious variant that gives everyone NATURAL herd immunity to the entire coronavirus family."

If this was even remotely true everyone would be doing Covid parties now like they've done measles parties decades ago.

It's not. Getting Omicron doesn't give you any herd immunity at all, let alone against "the entire coronavirus family". That's beyond ludicrous.

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Post by hapiri »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #273
Dylan16807 wrote: post #270

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Preventing spread inside a quarantine is a strictly lower priority than preventing spread to the outside, but to claim ignoring that concern is "how quarantines work" is not true at all. Why would you say that?

I guess I don't agree? You can certainly implement additional measures within the quarantine to prevent spread, but the essence of the world is to cut off the outside, not the inside. Any other restrictions are extra. (And, sure, you might be advised to quarantine in your room within a quarantined building—that's two quarantines.) And in the specific context we're discussing, I agree with the GP that quarantining an…

Depending on the size of the office, I would argue against method like quarantine in the office

Alternative: let people go & quarantine them at home.

COVID infection is not an one-off event like 10 people get infected at once. They have overlapping incubation & infection periods. Possibly people will get keep getting infected during those 48 hours, and the whole office get quarantined again and again.

edit: on another thought, I don't think my argument holds any weight given how China has been very successful at this.

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Post by rubatuga »

adastra22 wrote: post #123
teruakohatu wrote: post #68

In New Zealand we are currently experiencing our first wave, by captia our case numbers are insane, and reality is vastly higher than what is being reported because the system now relies on self reporting from RAT tests. In an hour we have as many new cases as we had in total in the first two years of COVID. But life is going on as semi-normal, most people are being reasonably responsible. 96% of the 12 yr+ populatio…

> and reality is vastly higher than what is being reported because the system now relies on self reporting from RAT tests Uh, that's not obvious. The RAT tests have massive false positive rates compared with PCR tests. Do they follow up a rapid antigen test with PCR? The chinese vaccine is garbage too. Even the official numbers are not great, but some countries which bought the Chinese vaccine tried to return it beca…

I think you mean false negative? There are very little false positives.

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Post by rubatuga »

sva_ wrote: post #105
teruakohatu wrote: post #68

In New Zealand we are currently experiencing our first wave, by captia our case numbers are insane, and reality is vastly higher than what is being reported because the system now relies on self reporting from RAT tests. In an hour we have as many new cases as we had in total in the first two years of COVID. But life is going on as semi-normal, most people are being reasonably responsible. 96% of the 12 yr+ populatio…

> system now relies on self reporting from RAT tests When my social circle finally got COVID, the rapid tests didn't work at all for almost all of us. One friend even tested himself 15 times with them, and he definitely used it right. We used various RATs. PCR showed positive for Omicron though. I don't think those tests are as reliable as they're claimed to be. I would think hospital stats matter more than active ca…

Switch to oropharyngeal swabbing technique, this worked much better for me.
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