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Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Omnicron in particular is so low impact that the response is primarily political, especially when you have vaccines and some pre existing immunity. Countries can choose to pretty much ignore it or go crazy over it as the politicians and Twitter demand. We just got bored of it in the UK and moved onto Boris’s parties and now Ukraine.

Omicron could be the best thing that happened -- a mild, very infectious variant that gives everyone NATURAL herd immunity to the entire coronavirus family. Why are politicians so afraid of it?

I don't know about politicians, but I can tell you why I'm not rejoicing quite yet.

Number 1:

While it is milder, it will still kill a lot of people. Yes they're mostly elderly, or they are immunocompromised and have other health issues already, but for those people it still means premature death, and for their families and friends it's still a loss of a loved one.

Number 2:

Long Covid is still not understood. The prevalence, impact and cause is too nebulous. It can manifest itself 6 to 12 months after first infection, so there's not been data about Omicron for it yet, since we're only starting to approach some people recovering on the 6 month mark. There's conflicting predictions of it affecting 5% to 30% of everyone (all age) who gets COVID. And it looks like sometimes the effect are dehabilitating, where people can't even go to work. So while it's nice Omicron doesn't kill you, it isn't clear if it will make you unhealthy and suffer from chronic problems for the rest of your life, and possibly shorten your lifespan. We also don't know if the chances of long COVID exist each time you get Covid, so even if it were 5% but you get it year over year, and each year it's 5% chance, it might be a matter of time till we all have long COVID.

Number 3:

Healthcare capacity and supplies. Even though the percentages of cases that need medical care is smaller, if too many people get it at the same.time, the total number of people needing medical care could be quite large and breach the healthcare capacity.

Number 4:

Cost on the economy. When people say it's mild, it's often still like getting the flu, which means you're off work for 3 to 10 days. If everyone gets it once or twice a year, and if people get it all at the same time, it means supply chain issues, delayed business, it just puts pressure everywhere on the economy.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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In my opinion china's policies have been the best, maybe together with New Zealand. We've basically been living as normal, much more so than any other country, except for some local cases here and there when there was a month of tightening. That's why I think it's ironic that once the virus basically becomes non-threatening, China has to enter the same type of lockdown as other countries did two years before. And tha…

"In my opinion china's policies have been the best" Interesting, but could you really express any other opinion without fear of repression of some kind, while living in china?

it's always kinda funny how misinformed people are about china. if you actually think china has the tech to force 1.4 billion people to share the same thoughts then a. china has already won tech war, or b. you are just brainwashed.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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> you can't quarantine and hospitalize people for omicron when it is not dangerous

???

More than 6000 (6 thousands!) People die every day from Covid. And this doesn't even take into account long covid, and the wider impact on society.

Sure, if you're young and vaccinated you're probably going to be fine, but if they let Covid spread freely the damage will be immense

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I can sympathize with your situation. I was in an office building in Shanghai last November when it got locked down for 48 hours - nobody in or out. Everybody ended up ordering takeout, and the entire building had to be tested for COVID a total of four times. The most insane part is that they don't even let you take pictures of the lockdown (I almost got my phone confiscated by the police for taking pictures). Also,…

I sleep quite comfortably in my Aeron chair, so I don't see the problem really

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In New Zealand we are currently experiencing our first wave, by captia our case numbers are insane, and reality is vastly higher than what is being reported because the system now relies on self reporting from RAT tests. In an hour we have as many new cases as we had in total in the first two years of COVID. But life is going on as semi-normal, most people are being reasonably responsible. 96% of the 12 yr+ populatio…

> and reality is vastly higher than what is being reported because the system now relies on self reporting from RAT tests Uh, that's not obvious. The RAT tests have massive false positive rates compared with PCR tests. Do they follow up a rapid antigen test with PCR? The chinese vaccine is garbage too. Even the official numbers are not great, but some countries which bought the Chinese vaccine tried to return it beca…

Yes, they follow it up with a PCR

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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It is a whole different ruleset. In earlier China lockdowns there were stories of infants starving to death after their parents were forcibly locked down.

that's very different than the story my relatives in china told me. While in quarantine, government sets up dedicated teams of delivery personnel to deliver daily necessities. While the lock down is strict, you are by no means in any danger.

No post body was provided.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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The pandemic response globally has been a case study in what not to do. A perfect storm of misinformation and fear, plus a healthy dose of opportunism. Now the CDC is straight up withholding data in case we “misinterpret” it. [1] [1] https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20220222/report-cdc-not-publ...

No, just no. Yes, there’s been hiccups. Yes, misinformation made rounds. But we formulated safe and effective vaccines in months for it, rolled them out in ridiculous speeds and saved many lives. In contrast to past pandemics, we’ve handled this ridiculously well and we owe our butts to recent advancements in mRNA tech. So no, historically speaking, it’s been a case study of “there’s been problems, but an overwhelmin…

CDC changing the definition of the word vaccine to suit their ageneda is not simple 'misinformation'

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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post #208

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> Now I think about it, why is GB not called BB? Because it doesn’t scale. Giga is the metric prefix for “times billion”. However, large (and small) numbers don’t end there. What about Quadrillion and Quintillion? What about milli and micro?

OK, so what you mean is, million and mega happen to share the initial, and trillion and tera happen to share too, but billion and giga happen to not share an initial.

Yeah, might’ve been a coincidence

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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No, just no. Yes, there’s been hiccups. Yes, misinformation made rounds. But we formulated safe and effective vaccines in months for it, rolled them out in ridiculous speeds and saved many lives. In contrast to past pandemics, we’ve handled this ridiculously well and we owe our butts to recent advancements in mRNA tech. So no, historically speaking, it’s been a case study of “there’s been problems, but an overwhelmin…

CDC changing the definition of the word vaccine to suit their ageneda is not simple 'misinformation'

What agenda? What are you even going on about.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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post #243

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Sounds like a good way to get everyone there infected.

...yes, that's how quarantines work? Everyone within the quarantine may get infected, but the virus won't spread to anyone outside.

Preventing spread inside a quarantine is a strictly lower priority than preventing spread to the outside, but to claim ignoring that concern is "how quarantines work" is not true at all. Why would you say that?
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