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Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by hollander »

rich_sasha wrote: post #2

The clear suggestion is that it is Russia doing it. Other than as an f-u, I don’t understand why they would though. If I have an effective weapon (GPS spoofer), surely I don’t want to alert the enemy to it, lest they develop defences. So eg say NATO were overreliant on GPS, incidents of spoofing like this will cause them to rethink and reduce that reliance, or harden the system.

> If I have an effective weapon (GPS spoofer), surely I don’t want to alert the enemy to it, lest they develop defences.

Russia has done this for the past 10 or so years. They invaded EU airspace. They executed many cyber attacks. This is strategy. They test to see if their competence works, they test to see what the reaction is, and they sharpen their knives, get better at it.

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by waihtis »

beebeepka wrote: post #148
waihtis wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like I mentioned elsewhere, this offensive holds no rational grounds even if you try hard to see it through a Russian lens - this is why they keep inventing new reasons of invasion on the fly (e.g. the biolab stuff, etc.) So still clinging to the thought that Putin has some kind of grand plan behind him is wishful thinking at best

It looks very rational to me. I say that as someone who lives across the Black sea and have suffered under their rule and feels for the Ukrainians. Placing weapons next door to any powerful entity is recipe for conflict. It sounds like you're repeating the same talking points over and over. Russia felt threatened and attacked. What did the US do to Cuba when the Soviets put weapons there? Oh, that's right. Eternal em…

> It looks very rational to me.

Based on...?

> Russia felt threatened and attacked.

By what? By Ukraine's Bayraktars?

If you want me to get off my high horse, please provide something that can change my position

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by mads_ravn »

waihtis wrote: post #80
WilTimSon wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it might be so but what's the point in Russia pissing off Finland while a good chunk of its forces is dedicated to the war in Ukraine? They're irrational but surely going "Let's start a war on TWO fronts!" is a step too far even for them?

Asymmetry - Russia knows we won't conduct an offensive and they can stress-free empty their Finnish border for this campaign

I’ve been sort of amazed by the line of reasoning as well: Russia can invade a democracy aligning with “the west”, but if “the west” were to, say, bomb the military in a country that is aligning with Russia (after ignoring election results and suppressing the opposition with violence), then we would be inviting nuclear war. Very asymmetric, but I guess that is the advantage of being an autocrat with a propensity for throwing threats around :/

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by altcognito »

Terry_Roll wrote: post #138
rich_sasha wrote: post #2

The clear suggestion is that it is Russia doing it. Other than as an f-u, I don’t understand why they would though. If I have an effective weapon (GPS spoofer), surely I don’t want to alert the enemy to it, lest they develop defences. So eg say NATO were overreliant on GPS, incidents of spoofing like this will cause them to rethink and reduce that reliance, or harden the system.

> GPS spoofer), surely I don’t want to alert the enemy to it, lest they develop defences What normally happens is the GPS stops working and then you lose your satnav, so you dont know where you are going until you reset the satnav and even then it might not work. This is why Streetview logged all the wifi it could find and uses wifi to roughly place a phone in an area to make the gps locating algorithms faster. Now i…

This is a rejection of your own agency. You don't have to know the whole truth about every detail to be able to come to a reasonable conclusion.

If you think it is difficult or tricky being dependent on others and trusting others, I'd suggest the contrary is much worse.

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by trasz »

XorNot wrote: post #18
Grimburger wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The military has some additional protections Feel this is somewhat an understatement, it's cryptographically signed and encrypted, as far as protection goes it's wandering onto an active battlefield naked vs being in a modern tank.

It is, but the US basically can't use that mode anymore - the widespread use of GPS guided munitions which do not have the military grade receivers means the US basically doesn't enable the signal degradation mode ever - it harms their own force more then helping any counter-force.

Why do you assume munitions don’t have the “military grade receivers”?

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by mejutoco »

hn_go_brrrrr wrote: post #161
mejutoco wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you square approval being stronger with russians fleeing the country?

The ones who don't approve, leave. The ones who remain, approve. Perfectly consistent :-)

Spherical cow levels of consistency, indeed :)

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by mejutoco »

RobertMiller wrote: post #167
mejutoco wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you square approval being stronger with russians fleeing the country?

Some may support the war in principle but hypocritically don't want to be conscripted.

Or they don’t support the war, another plausible explanation.

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by eternalban »

This article focuses on US military GPS tests in US and airline safety mainly, but does mention similar tests happening in Europe and China. Regarding these latter it does not name who is doing the jamming.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/faa-files-reveal-a-surprising-thre...

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by heavenlyblue »

verisimi wrote: post #151
heavenlyblue wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sorry but this is exactly the same argument that a lot of Russian population uses. Yes, we may not know everything, but we are more informed than the Russian/Chinese population in general.

How? Why do you think so?

Because I regularly speak to my dad who loves Russian television.

PS: I now live in Britain.

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by andai »

waihtis wrote: post #3
rich_sasha wrote: post #2

The clear suggestion is that it is Russia doing it. Other than as an f-u, I don’t understand why they would though. If I have an effective weapon (GPS spoofer), surely I don’t want to alert the enemy to it, lest they develop defences. So eg say NATO were overreliant on GPS, incidents of spoofing like this will cause them to rethink and reduce that reliance, or harden the system.

Suggesting Russians are playing a rational game here? I think the cover has been pulled on the Russian "master strategy".. it's literally a hierarchy of terror and lies, where everyone will do whatever it takes to please the irrational autocrat. I have been spamming this lecture everywhere since the war started and again I think anyone who's still questioning the Russian operative reality should watch it: Evaluation…

I copied the subtitles here if anyone prefers to read the transcript:

https://ghostbin.com/tjYA8/raw

(Somewhat amusingly, Pastebin refused to accept it due to "objectionable content")

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