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Re: Telegram Cooperates with FSB (Rus)

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Post by rvz »

AnonHP wrote: post #19
wut42 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But not Signal, for example. Well, they do: but they have nothing to share. Telegram on the contrary have a ton to share.

It’s a bit disingenuous to say that Signal has nothing to share. Signal has access logs as well as metadata about the phone number, the name given on the app, group memberships, etc. With Signal, it’s also trivial to find out if someone is using it by adding their number to one’s address book. Then they can ask Signal for access and other information. That’s not easily possible with Telegram (there are settings to pr…

Well Signal is sitting on a centralized Google Cloud instance and Google can just issue a ToS violation, with the metadata that it is collecting about certain users on Signal that the three-letter agencies are looking for, including logs and phone numbers and that can essentially force Google to get them shutdown.

Even without it, Google can shutdown any instance whenever it wants to on its own terms since that is another private platform and can choose to do business with whoever they want to.

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Post by axiosgunnar »

anilshanbhag wrote: post #46
axiosgunnar wrote: post #36

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Note that over half of those channels are blatantly pro-Putin

I used to follow ASBMil on Twitter before Twitter banned it :/ I can't vouch for others but ASBMil was doing accurate reporting. Just searching for ASBMil on twitter will show many saying that Twitter is censoring accounts that do not repeat the accepted Western narrative.

Lol isn't Asbmil the one with the legendary fall of 2021 tweet saying „US intel is trying to fool you all, Russia will never invade, idiots“?

Also, if the „western narrative“ is one of condemning the most blatant international military aggression since WWII for the gain of a handful of oligarch… I guess I am pro-Western then.

I really can't see any reason to subscribe to any other narrative here.

The two sides are completely unequal.

Re: Telegram Cooperates with FSB (Rus)

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Post by foverzar »

supreme_berry wrote: post #45
eterevsky wrote: post #25

This is just a random speculation. There is no hard or even indirect evidence that Durov cooperates with FSB in any way. Even Whatsapp which belongs to Facebook is still available in Russia despite their explicit pro-Ukrainian stance.

Durov doesn’t ban Russian government channels calling to literally nuke US and EU, posting fake news, etc. FSB easily tracks anti-regime/opposition channel authors by copying SIM-cards and getting access. Durov also doesn’t call war in Ukraine as war. He exchanged Russian userbase.

He doesn't ban US channels calling for the same thing because why would he? It's not Facebook, fringe groups be fringe groups.

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Post by [deleted] »

huhtenberg wrote: post #43
eterevsky wrote: post #25

This is just a random speculation. There is no hard or even indirect evidence that Durov cooperates with FSB in any way. Even Whatsapp which belongs to Facebook is still available in Russia despite their explicit pro-Ukrainian stance.

Killing WhatsApp will be disastrous for the Russian economy. The effect will probably be on par if not greater than all other sanctions combined. Every single daily thing is done via WhatsApp. The state realizes that which is why they carved an explicit (if a completely made-up) exception for it when they went after Instagram, Facebook and Meta. You don't want to inconvenience your brainwashed masses that much or the…

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Post by wolf550e »

daneel_w wrote: post #42
wolf550e wrote: post #37

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The opposite is the truth. The signal servers don't know who talks to whom, and they chose phone number as identifier specifically so the app could use your local address book for contacts and not store your contacts server side.

Are you real? There is no need to transmit a mobile phone number to a remote service in order for an iOS or Android application to get access to locally stored contacts. You do not need to receive a "verification SMS" to allow the application to access your contacts.

Your evidence is that the signal app client knows your phone number and can see your contacts list and your groups and your chat messages, and if it is malicious, it could just send all that to the server which could just store it in plaintext and turn it over to anyone who asks. But people have reverse engineered the app and it doesn't do that.

Re: Telegram Cooperates with FSB (Rus)

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Post by startoffs »

axiosgunnar wrote: post #52
anilshanbhag wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to follow ASBMil on Twitter before Twitter banned it :/ I can't vouch for others but ASBMil was doing accurate reporting. Just searching for ASBMil on twitter will show many saying that Twitter is censoring accounts that do not repeat the accepted Western narrative.

Lol isn't Asbmil the one with the legendary fall of 2021 tweet saying „US intel is trying to fool you all, Russia will never invade, idiots“? Also, if the „western narrative“ is one of condemning the most blatant international military aggression since WWII for the gain of a handful of oligarch… I guess I am pro-Western then. I really can't see any reason to subscribe to any other narrative here. The two sides are co…

Almost every sane person said there will be no invasion. That does not make them complicit.
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