Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

news.ycombinator.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

131–140 of 319 posts

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

#131

Post by NicoJuicy »

user_named wrote: post #40
elric wrote: post #36

Only a thousand daily cases in a country with a population of 1G? That's either very impressive, or very impressively underreported. For comparison, Belgium currently has 10 times as many daily new cases, with a population that's 100 times smaller (and no lockdown).

Quoted post unavailable.

Belgium did overreporting, so they had 2x the COVID counts vs. Other countries just because of that ( every untested death was assumed a COVID death).

Most people that say Belgium did "terrible" don't even know about that.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

#134

Post by Maken »

imiric wrote: post #57
elric wrote: post #36

Only a thousand daily cases in a country with a population of 1G? That's either very impressive, or very impressively underreported. For comparison, Belgium currently has 10 times as many daily new cases, with a population that's 100 times smaller (and no lockdown).

And 8K deaths since 2020: https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/cn How the WHO can report these numbers with a straight face is beyond me.

The WHO can only report what the health authorities of each country report to them.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

#135

Post by rfoo »

refurb wrote: post #106
petesergeant wrote: post #86

> can't quarantine and hospitalize people for omicron when it is not dangerous There are enough people it’s dangerous for, especially in a population not widely exposed to it and who haven’t had mRNA boosters, that it can cause hospitals to jam up and pictures of grandma dying on a stretcher outside a regional hospital. This is a political big deal when you’ve spent 2 years mouthing off about the decadent West’s poor…

Indeed. I’ve been somewhat amazed at how China has handled it as of late. I get the short-term goal - stop Covid from taking hold by isolating new outbreaks. They have the manpower and the organization to isolate entire cities, do mass testing and lockdown neighborhoods. But: 1. It’s pretty clear with Omnicron the higher infectivity is making that task harder and lockdowns longer 2. The lockdowns have real economic i…

> once they realize Omicron isn’t that serious in vaccinated individuals

They already do. And more than one public figures of ChinaCDC posted "we had to live with COVID eventually" online.

This is not what Xi is trying to do though, at least for now.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

#136

Post by logifail »

> Last Friday there were about a 1000 new daily cases nationally, higher than at the peak in 2020

In the last 7 days the city of Vienna alone has reported over 50k additional Covid cases, Austria as a whole reported 284k.[0]

We're long past the point where we should be counting and worrying about daily new cases, at this point it's just not helpful.

The virus has changed, our treatments have changed, our ability to vaccinate has changed. When will our thinking change?

[0] https://covid19-dashboard.ages.at/

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

#137

Post by NicoJuicy »

user_named wrote: post #111
elric wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Did they not tell you that in Belgium? What's up with this pointless snarkiness? You're making it sound like the machinations of an evil propaganda machine, when in reality Belgium has been quite good at overreporting covid stats. Not sure which stats you're referring to as being "some of the worst in the world".

You question the reporting in a country, I do the same and you get upset. Belgium has been among the top in every chart I've seen. I can't imagine those charts not having been reported on in Belgium.

Someone else already mentioned overcounting and you are just ignoring it.

https://m.dw.com/en/belgiums-coronavirus-overcounting-contro...

Read up about it, before saying they did "terrible".

Statistics in this case are a simplified form of complex policies, ... Countries overcounting vs. undercounting should be the top 1 variable to be aware of.

Ps. I'm from Belgium, I'm very much aware of all statistics and the controversy overcounting causes.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

#138

Post by y7 »

throwaway4good wrote: post #124
petesergeant wrote: post #86

> can't quarantine and hospitalize people for omicron when it is not dangerous There are enough people it’s dangerous for, especially in a population not widely exposed to it and who haven’t had mRNA boosters, that it can cause hospitals to jam up and pictures of grandma dying on a stretcher outside a regional hospital. This is a political big deal when you’ve spent 2 years mouthing off about the decadent West’s poor…

Wrt. mRNA boosters, I know it is a common talking point that China is in trouble because it doesn't have mRNA-vaccines but I believe the vaccines that China have is of the type as the AstraZeneca vaccine, that is commonly used in the UK which now is free of COVID-restrictions. In other words; if is China is willing, it can go down the same path of vax-and-let-it-rip.

For a booster (3rd shot), the UK only uses mRNA vaccines.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccinat...

Edit: changed my ambiguous wording

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

#139

Post by petesergeant »

throwaway4good wrote: post #124
petesergeant wrote: post #86

> can't quarantine and hospitalize people for omicron when it is not dangerous There are enough people it’s dangerous for, especially in a population not widely exposed to it and who haven’t had mRNA boosters, that it can cause hospitals to jam up and pictures of grandma dying on a stretcher outside a regional hospital. This is a political big deal when you’ve spent 2 years mouthing off about the decadent West’s poor…

Wrt. mRNA boosters, I know it is a common talking point that China is in trouble because it doesn't have mRNA-vaccines but I believe the vaccines that China have is of the type as the AstraZeneca vaccine, that is commonly used in the UK which now is free of COVID-restrictions. In other words; if is China is willing, it can go down the same path of vax-and-let-it-rip.

AZ is adenovirus vector (like J&J, Sputnik), SinoVac and Sinopharm are inactivated.

> if is China is willing, it can go down the same path of vax-and-let-it-rip

Many many fewer Chinese have immunity from having had the virus than Brits

Post reply on HN