... And with that women said "eff that!" nailing the coffin of the FAV
Do women specifically want steering wheels or something? I’m not sure I understand.
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#232I was at a crosswalk and saw a car with the big cameras on top coming Normally I walk and have confidence the human will stop and not want the consequences, or I at least make eye contact with the human driver for reassurance they will stop This time I ran, mumbling “self driving car fuck that”
Eye contact is also a major component of driving a motorcycle safely. When at an intersection, you know another car sees you by looking through their windshield and judging whether the person is distracted or if they're aware of your presence. It would really benefit motorcyclists, pedestrians, and other drivers if there were some mechanism for self-driving cars to visually and outwardly acknowledge your presence. Ho…
Jaguar experimented with putting eyes on the vehicle itself:
https://www.businessinsider.com/jaguar-land-rover-eyes-on-ca...
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#233I think a lot of people are misreading this. Right now one of the rules to pass a crash test is that there is a steering wheel. This didn't used to be controversial, but now it is. The rules were written in the 70s and just assumed there would always be a drivers seat. The only thing here is that the government rewrote the rules to no longer assume those things. It's not saying those things aren't necessary, just not…
> It would be like saying today that you can't have a computer without an on/off switch because in the 70s every computer had a physical switch. As aside, that’d be great.
As soon as I typed that I knew someone would reply with this. :). I agree it would be nice and I sometimes miss physical switches, but imagine how clunky a Raspberry Pi would be with a physical switch.
And besides, I almost never used the switch on the computer anyway. I was always told to put it into a power strip and use that, because it was a lot cheaper to replace the power strip than the broken power switch on the PC!
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#234Vehicles == Automobiles (in this case).
There are other vehicles besides autos (aircraft, boats, ships, tanks). Need to be more specific.
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#235Cyberpunk future, here we come.
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#236I think any automated vehicle, no matter how advanced, should always have a big red button to make it stop whatever it's doing. Kind of like the emergency brake on a passenger train.
Maybe a “stop gracefully” mode? If you hit the big red button going 65mph on the center lane of a crowded highway, it could be bad. Especially if the tech starts to feel safe enough that cars can travel close enough to use the draft from cars ahead. I think an emergency brake works for trains because they’re isolated.
Some high-power industrial systems have both a "controlled shutdown" emergency button and a "remove all power" emergency button, by whatever names.
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#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would probably accept technology that's as good as the median driver.
how about one standard deviation about the mean? (sorry, I'm an unrepentant mean over median person)
It was a bit tongue-in-cheek - the median driver has precisely zero accidents in any given year.
I don't really know how to think about it. Accident rate, on a per-mile basis, falls out of some combination of "hardness of the driving problem" (freeways have many fewer accidents than city streets, I think) as well as propensity to take risks (driving at night; in bad weather; at higher speeds; while distracted) as well as driving skill.
What, by definition, people will accept is an accident rate similar to that for professional drivers; e.g. taxi/rideshare/livery. According to a report by Uber, that's about half the number of fatal accidents on a VMT basis versus the general population in their case.
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#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
At least the government isn't standing in the way of innovation this time. The market will still decide if these vehicles sell. I wouldn't buy one, would you? Plus, it's never too late to crack down. If there are a lot of accidents, you can bet members of Congress will thrive on the outrage. So, there's really nothing to see here. Just the government getting out of the way, a little bit, for now.
> I wouldn't buy one, would you? Absolutely! In a heartbeat. Because I know it's a tool to enhance my driving, not replace me, and I still need to pay attention. I already have an add-on for my car that gives me level 3 on the freeway (no hands on the wheel needed). I still keep my hand on the wheel though and I still pay attention, but it definitely helps because I don't have to use brain power staying in the lane o…
What I meant was, would you buy a car without controls? Without a steering wheel?
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#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It would be like saying today that you can't have a computer without an on/off switch because in the 70s every computer had a physical switch. As aside, that’d be great.
As soon as I typed that I knew someone would reply with this. :). I agree it would be nice and I sometimes miss physical switches, but imagine how clunky a Raspberry Pi would be with a physical switch. And besides, I almost never used the switch on the computer anyway. I was always told to put it into a power strip and use that, because it was a lot cheaper to replace the power strip than the broken power switch on t…
I recently disconnected the capacitive power button on my desktop thanks to my stupid cat repeatedly turning off my computer.
Instead, I've turned on the feature in the BIOS to boot up when power is applied. Now, to turn on my desktop, I just flip the power switch on the back. Feels satisfyingly retro.
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
Did you read the article? There is literally no steering wheel in an autonomous car. There is no "driver", only passengers. Even then, the car could drive itself without any passengers.
No steering wheel does not imply no responsibility.
I mean, it kind of does.
I do agree tho, “no steering wheel, no responsibility” should be explicit in law.