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Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses
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> This is, in my opinion, the main reason why Israel has never attempted to annex the Palestinian territories. The Arab majority (or near majority today) that would form in the population would seriously challenge the idea of a Jewish and democratic state - they would be forced to stop recognizing Arabs' right to vote and/or hold office. For what it's worth Israel could go the federation route - basically, have three…
Or they could do the obvious, which is to let the Palestinians form a full state within the internationally recognized borders. But Israel does not want to respect those borders so does not want to accept a two (or three) state solution with a Palestinian state.
No way that will happen as long as Iran and others supply the Palestinians with rockets to terrorize the Israeli population.
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Main problem here that if Israeli citizen will decide to marry a Lebanese, or a Jordanian, or an Egyptian or even Saudi citizen, they won't be able to live in Israel. Outrage of non-Israelis about is law is merely academical. Outrage of (some of) Israelis is practical: the state is putting a choice in front of a citizen -- be able to marry a person you want or be able to live in Israel.
Why is it not a problem that they won't be able to live in Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt or Saudi Arabia? This outrage looks like a double standard to me.
Because I'm not a citizen of Lebanon, Jordan or Egypt. As an Israeli citizen I share the responsibility and am obliged to react to any colonial era exercise the government is trying to pull off.
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I think it’s just about making their lives miserable so they go live somewhere else.
That is a probability, but seems too simple, and is in complete contradiction with all the other stuff Israel has done so far make the life of arabic Israelians enjoyable there, such as hiring arab police officers, the entry of an Arab political party—the Islamist United Arab List, or Ra’am—into government for the first time has signaled that progress could be in the offing, having the same rights as Jewish Israelis.…
From what I have seen with my Israeli friends (so caveat, sample size of 2 and one of them was quite a long time ago) there seem to be a serious case of collective cognitive dissonance. It’s not that they really want to hurt the Arabs (though some of them definitely do), it’s just that they don’t see this sort of things as bad. An example is the borders walls and checkpoints. Or bombing Gaza.
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#347Here's an interesting exercise: 1. Substitute "Israel's Knesset" for ANY other legislative body anywhere. 2. Substitute "Palestinian" for ANY other nationality, ethnicity, race, sexual orientation, or other adjective describing a group to which YOU belong. 3. See if you like how it feels: "[Legislative body] passes law barring spouses who are [like you] from becoming citizens."
“Ukraine passes law barring spouses who are from Russia from becoming citizens”
Seems fine to me.
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Not likely to happen, I think. It would be construed as "antisemitic". But even apart from sanctions, Israel receives foreign aid and grants from the US.
Unfortunately true. It’s been darkly amusing to see the total absence of outcry when boycotts, divestments, and sanctions were decided against Russia, but somehow exactly the same thing is a crime against humanity when it’s against a segregated theocracy.
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I'm baffled how the people who survived the Holocaust, among numerous other persecutions, are now so intolerant of another persecuted people.
Funny enough, the Holocaust is the exact reason that these sorts of things are justified. It isn't out of malice, but out of a perceived need to protect themselves from the possibly of it EVER happening again. The collective trauma of being exiled from numerous European countries, the progroms in Russia and having ~6 million of your people systematically murdered in Germany overrides any guilt for infringing on inter…
Not really commenting about the law. But as an arab from a country that Israel has tried to unsuccessfully invade about 3 times now.
We had nothing to do with the holocaust. Germans and their friends were complicit.
Im genuinely interested in how come normal people of the world don’t really flinch at what Israel was allowed to do and what it keeps doing.
I don’t blame Israelis who were born there since we have little control over where we’re born and how we’re raised.
Apologies for the rant, but why does it make sense in the broader context to allow israeli actions that directly cause palestinian suffering if all of the jews’ suffering was caused by the germans?
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>Jews are an ethnic group, not a religion. Ethnoreligious...to be precise.
Atheist Christian doesn't make much sense last time I checked.
And yet Zizek offers himself as that exact contradiction:
https://churchlifejournal.nd.edu/articles/zizek-has-a-lot-to...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UOM3C3q7II
Zizek is certainly a madman, being both an atheist christian and a marxist in our day and age