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Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses
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#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
As I replied to a similar comment that was deleted: this is irrelevant ancient history. What matters is that Israel is maintaining their illegal occupation even today, and even expanding it (building new settlements, etc.)
If history doesn't matter why do you even consider it occupied territory?
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Arab or Christian You mean Muslim or Christian (either of which can be Arab).
This is so annoying. It’s not rocket science to understand that Arabic is a language and you are only an Arab if your cultural language is Arabic. Not all Arabs are Muslims and not all Muslims are Arabs. It’s like saying that all who speak English are Christians. And all who are Christians speak English.
Just imagine your from Africa and everyone in the Media talks about "Africa" as if Morocco and for example Tanzania can be compared ;)
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#174The title of this post is mis-leading, or at least incomplete. Read the article. It's about denying automatic citizenship upon marriage. It's not about barring or banning marriage.
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#175>Proponents say the law helps ensure Israel's security and maintains its "Jewish character". What the fuck?
That language is an explicit part of Israel - the Declaration of Independence enshrines the idea that Israel is, first and foremost, a Jewish state. In more recent times, the nature of the state is often referred to as "Jewish and democratic". It is also enshrined in the basic laws of Israel (Israel doesn't have a constitution). This entire concept has a dedicated article on Wikipedia [0]. It's a pretty fun read for…
> This is, in my opinion, the main reason why Israel has never attempted to annex the Palestinian territories. The Arab majority (or near majority today) that would form in the population would seriously challenge the idea of a Jewish and democratic state - they would be forced to stop recognizing Arabs' right to vote and/or hold office.
For what it's worth Israel could go the federation route - basically, have three largely autonomous federal states, one for Jewish Israel, one for the West Bank and one for Gaza, with the federal government only taking care of finances, energy, water and security, and the rest - including passports and diplomatic relations - be done by the individual states.
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#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
The actual rationale was outright given by the politicians who enacted this law: it allows Israel's favored demographic to maintain a majority. It's in the article.
I'm sorry, I'm non native, I've read the article again and didn't find that, can I ask you to quote that please?
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#177This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…
Not true for Turkey.
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#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
As I replied to a similar comment that was deleted: this is irrelevant ancient history. What matters is that Israel is maintaining their illegal occupation even today, and even expanding it (building new settlements, etc.)
The people of the West Bank have engaged in terrorism against Israeli civilians up to 2005 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada - and that's not particularly ancient history.
The IDF have also murdered a lot of innocent palestinians, but if you do it dressed like a soldier somehow it's not "terrorism"
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not a fan of the occupation of the West Bank, but those are not 1:1 scenarios. West Bank was occupied after Jordan initiated the offensive, not Israel, as opposed to Russia who is the aggressor. A 1:1 scenario would be if Ukraine invaded Russia and then Russia took control over Ukraine territory, which in that case i'd argue the outcry would be minimal.
As I replied to a similar comment that was deleted: this is irrelevant ancient history. What matters is that Israel is maintaining their illegal occupation even today, and even expanding it (building new settlements, etc.)
If you're making a comparison its pretty relavent.
If you don't consider the details of the situation, the comparison basically becomes so vauge as to be useless.
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
As I replied to a similar comment that was deleted: this is irrelevant ancient history. What matters is that Israel is maintaining their illegal occupation even today, and even expanding it (building new settlements, etc.)
The people of the West Bank have engaged in terrorism against Israeli civilians up to 2005 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada - and that's not particularly ancient history.
People in the UK have engaged in terrorism against UK citizens up until the present; that doesn't justify the UK occupying Ireland, and installing groups of settlers.
I know, that's exactly what England did under Cromwell; one of my ancestors was such a settler.