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Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by dotancohen »

BuyMyBitcoins wrote: post #211
dotancohen wrote: post #134

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>”How would Europeans react to the import of Arabs with the explicit intention of making Europe an Arab continent?” Is this meant to be some theoretical gotcha? Firstly, anyone who believes in what you’ve quoted is soundly dismissed as a paranoid conspiracy theorist - a racist one at that. Secondly, this strikes me as “you guys would pass the same law if you could get away with it”. But the main reason why this kind…

  > anyone who believes in what you’ve quoted is soundly dismissed as a paranoid conspiracy theorist - a racist one at that
The fine article mentions explicitly that this is the goal of the marriages in question.

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Post by aaomidi »

dotancohen wrote: post #134
nidhalbt wrote: post #28

We see more and more similar laws being passed in recent years, laws that are blatantly discriminatory. This may raise the indignation of many people, but in my opinion, Israel is shooting itself in the foot by passing these laws, because it reinforces the argument that it is an apartheid regime. Israel is slowly losing its support in the free democratic world where people believe in the inalienable universal rights…

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Ah yes, the Arab hivemind sub plot to take over your country with little brown babies overtaking precious white ones.

I, too, get concerned of the explosion of disgusting brown people that threatens my beautiful non Arabic speaking country.

/s if not clear.

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Post by slothtrop »

School-Cotton wrote: post #26
Qem wrote: post #11

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South Africa took a lot of flak for their apartheid. Wonder why the same doesn't happen with this apartheid in the XXI century. That's a shame.

Same reason Russia is getting flak for invading and occupying territory (including, even, from Israel!) when Israel has illegally occupied the West Bank for decades with no consequences. Western countries apply their moral principles differently to their allies.

Consequences for taking Crimea, and other countries once part of the Soviet Union, were also virtually nil.

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Post by zarzavat »

1337shadow wrote: post #191
pthread_t wrote: post #155

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“There’s no need to shirk from the essence of this law. It is one of the tools to ensure a Jewish majority in Israel, which is the nation-state of the Jewish people. Our goal is for there to be a Jewish majority,” Lapid tweeted shortly before the law lapsed in early July. [1] [1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/months-after-citizenship-law-f...

Thanks! considering this I'm now wondering: I fill Nigeria with Norvegians, is it still Nigeria or an extension of Norway? I believe Nigerians have the right to have their country that doesn't look like an extension of another.

The verb “Fill” is so dehumanizing. This law is about banning Arab Israelis from bringing their spouse to live with them in Israel and to have a family life together.

In fact Nigeria recognizes the right of Nigerians to bring their spouse to live with them in Nigeria and even offers Nigerian citizenship. Nigeria is actually more advanced than many western countries in this respect.

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Post by aaomidi »

dotancohen wrote: post #221
BuyMyBitcoins wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>”How would Europeans react to the import of Arabs with the explicit intention of making Europe an Arab continent?” Is this meant to be some theoretical gotcha? Firstly, anyone who believes in what you’ve quoted is soundly dismissed as a paranoid conspiracy theorist - a racist one at that. Secondly, this strikes me as “you guys would pass the same law if you could get away with it”. But the main reason why this kind…

> anyone who believes in what you’ve quoted is soundly dismissed as a paranoid conspiracy theorist - a racist one at that The fine article mentions explicitly that this is the goal of the marriages in question.

And how do they go and measure that?

Did they somehow reach out to the thousands of couples and ask them "hey did you take part in this subplot?"

Delusional shit.

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Post by nindalf »

biorach wrote: post #132
pirate787 wrote: post #106

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The fact that the Arab world united and attempted to destroy Israel through invasion multiple times is not ancient history and certainly not irrelevant.

The occupation of the West Bank does nothing to deter this. The annexation of the Golan Heights is somewhat justifiable on strategic grounds. The occupation of the West Bank is a land grab, pure and simple.

I think continuing to occupy West Bank and Gaza is unconscionable.

But you’re mischaracterising the strategic importance of the West Bank. If it was a sovereign nation, the logical thing for the West Bank government to do would be to place artillery on the high ground near Israeli cities. The artillery would be sufficiently protected and would be capable of causing widespread destruction. That’s powerful negotiating leverage, even if the artillery isn’t used. This is similar to the state Seoul is in - within range of NK artillery.

That’s why there is no 2 state solution the Israelis will agree to where the Palestinian state operates its own military. It might be morally right, but it would be a death sentence for Israel.

Source - Prisoners of Geography by Tim Marshall.

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Post by gerash »

hrdwdmrbl wrote: post #13

Can we sanction Israel next, please?

their lobby is fairly organized and predatory and tries to make an example of anyone who disagree with them even Jewish people.

Ben and Jerry's ice cream (founded by Jewish Americans) decided not to sell ice cream in some disputed territories between Israel and Palestine and the lobby swiftly pushed Illinois and NY pension funds to sell all their holdings in their stock. Basically screwing with other people money for their power play.

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Post by danuker »

solarhoma wrote: post #202
pthread_t wrote: post #188

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> If Israel was an ally "Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China" [1] "a 2013 National Intelligence Estimate on cyber threats “ranked Israel the third most aggressive intelligence service against the US” behind only China and Russia" [2] "Israel among the U.S.’s most threatening cyber-adversaries and as a “hostile” foreign intelligence service." [3] "Israel’s snooping upset White House because information was…

These are enlightening links. Incredible really. How a so called ally can perform such levels of espionage and the US has a hand in paying for their own ‘downfall’. I suppose the only reason Israel gets away with it is due to the influence Israel has on politicians with AIPAC/lobbying efforts.

> How a so called ally can perform such levels of espionage

"NSA tapped German Chancellery for decades, WikiLeaks claims"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/08/nsa-tapped-g...

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Post by helge9210 »

pavelrub wrote: post #115
simiones wrote: post #80

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This is not about inter-religious marriages - this is about Arab or Christian Israeli citizens marrying other Arab or Christian Palestinians (or Lebanese and and a few other countries). This is as if the USA denied the right to extend your citizenship to a Mexican spouse - in some ways worse than the inter-religious thing.

> this is about Arab or Christian Israeli citizens This is incorrect. There is no distinction in the law between Arab Israelis and Jewish Israelis. The law applies equally to Israeli Jews who wish to marry a resident of the WB/Gaza, or one of the other countries mentioned in the law.

> The law applies equally to Israeli Jews who wish to marry a resident of the WB/Gaza

There is no problem for Israeli Jew to marry a resident of WB/Gaza who is also Israeli Jew. This happens all the time (except Gaza, no Israeli Jews live there).

Concept of Israeli Jew marrying a non-Jew (no matter the residency) doesn't exist in Israeli law.

The state may (but not obliged to) recognize the marriage registered abroad.

For non-Muslim non-Israeli spouses of Israeli Jews there is a 5+ year naturalization procedure where outcome is not guaranteed and every half a year one has to recount all the spots and birthmarks of significant other in front of state official to prove the marriage is not a fake.

This specific law is for Muslim non-Israeli spouses. Instead of 5+ year procedure it's just a firm "No".

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