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Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by BuyMyBitcoins » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 2:13 PM UTC

dotancohen wrote: post #134

nidhalbt wrote: post #28

We see more and more similar laws being passed in recent years, laws that are blatantly discriminatory. This may raise the indignation of many people, but in my opinion, Israel is shooting itself in the foot by passing these laws, because it reinforces the argument that it is an apartheid regime. Israel is slowly losing its support in the free democratic world where people believe in the inalienable universal rights…

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>”How would Europeans react to the import of Arabs with the explicit intention of making Europe an Arab continent?”

Is this meant to be some theoretical gotcha? Firstly, anyone who believes in what you’ve quoted is soundly dismissed as a paranoid conspiracy theorist - a racist one at that.

Secondly, this strikes me as “you guys would pass the same law if you could get away with it”. But the main reason why this kind of law would never get passed in Europe is because it’s wrong and goes against human rights and the virtue of not discriminating based on race.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by dotancohen » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 2:13 PM UTC

claviola wrote: post #209

dotancohen wrote: post #196

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You've mentioned "third- and fourth- wives" multiple times in this thread. Can you clarify? Israel doesn't allow polygamy, so how does that work? And do you happen to have proof that there's a conspiracy to increase the Arabic population? And even if somehow there _is_ one, isn't that something a democratic country should not care about?

In Israel, polygamy is forbidden to Jews. The Muslims practice polygamy, I have many friends with multiple wives.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by danuker » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 2:14 PM UTC

adielsa wrote: post #140

quelsolaar wrote: post #2

This is an apartheid regime. Plain and simple.

This article doesn’t really provide much in the way of explanation for why this law is being enacted. Here [0] is a better article that quotes supporters and objectors to the law. It includes the (IMHO not very convincing) figures that "Between 1993 and 2003, around 130,000 Palestinians were given Israeli citizenship or residency through family unification, including children, according to court filings. The Shin Bet…

Blackstone's ratio says "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

Assuming the ratios of terrorists to innocent spouses stays constant, 2708 innocent spouses will be denied citizenship for every terrorist mildly inconvenienced.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by detaro » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 2:16 PM UTC

dotancohen wrote: post #212

claviola wrote: post #209

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You've mentioned "third- and fourth- wives" multiple times in this thread. Can you clarify? Israel doesn't allow polygamy, so how does that work? And do you happen to have proof that there's a conspiracy to increase the Arabic population? And even if somehow there _is_ one, isn't that something a democratic country should not care about?

In Israel, polygamy is forbidden to Jews. The Muslims practice polygamy, I have many friends with multiple wives.

Legally recognized multiple wives? Because according to the sources I can find, that has been illegal for decades, regardless of religion.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by msrenee » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 2:17 PM UTC

arielb1 wrote: post #141

School-Cotton wrote: post #91

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As I replied to a similar comment that was deleted: this is irrelevant ancient history. What matters is that Israel is maintaining their illegal occupation even today, and even expanding it (building new settlements, etc.)

The people of the West Bank have engaged in terrorism against Israeli civilians up to 2005 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada - and that's not particularly ancient history.

I don't have a lot of background in this, so tell me if I'm off-base. Israel is occupying land that it took from Palestine, is it not? I don't feel that terrorism is the correct term for attacks on an occupying force.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by garbagetime » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 2:17 PM UTC

waffleiron wrote: post #153

hestefisk wrote: post #51

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Time to boycott, divest, and sanction!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws#Anti-BDS_laws_in... Possibly illegal

That just makes it more fun

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by bawolff » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 2:17 PM UTC

pthread_t wrote: post #188

solarhoma wrote: post #135

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If Israel was an ally they would be helping to supply weapons and armor to Ukraine. Instead they will not supply anything more than medication. The US gives Israel plenty of military $ for them to share in times of need. As a strictly emotional thought, this makes me feel Israel is a country to cozy up to the strongest nation at the time. If the US falls from grace Israel will have no problem ‘switching’ sides to Rus…

> If Israel was an ally "Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China" [1] "a 2013 National Intelligence Estimate on cyber threats “ranked Israel the third most aggressive intelligence service against the US” behind only China and Russia" [2] "Israel among the U.S.’s most threatening cyber-adversaries and as a “hostile” foreign intelligence service." [3] "Israel’s snooping upset White House because information was…

Ally != puppet state

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by erkanerol » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 2:18 PM UTC

this-way-cool wrote: post #100

jonathan-adly wrote: post #60

This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…

This isn't even remotely true. Anyone can marry inter-religiously in Turkey. Jewish, Christian or Muslim doesn't matter. Please get your facts right.

+1

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by jcranberry » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 2:18 PM UTC

Terrible title.

>Israel’s parliament on Thursday passed a law denying naturalization to Palestinians from the occupied West Bank or Gaza married to Israeli citizens, forcing thousands of Palestinian families to either emigrate or live apart.

The actual law is bad enough as is.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by e-neko » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 2:18 PM UTC

Ennis wrote: post #169

frogstomp19 wrote: post #125

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FWIW, this law is not banning marriage, rather it's preventing Palestinians from becoming automatically naturalized citizens through marrying an Israeli citizen.

That's the point. There is no path to becoming "naturalized", a legal resident or much more-so a citizen in your own country - whether you see that as Palestine or Israel. This is just one more mechanism to humiliate a population of millions.

Of course nobody cares that an Israeli Jew marrying a Lebanese, or a Jordanian, or an Egyptian, let alone a Saudi citizen, can't get Lebanese or Jordanian or Egyptian or Saudi citizenship.

But Israel must give citizenship to everyone... right?