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Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by 1337shadow »

themaninthedark wrote: post #103
namlem wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been cases of Israeli citizens marrying terrorists to get them into the country. Though this law is an overreaction. It's one thing to do background checks and impose a waiting period on Palestinian spouses, but a total ban is ridiculous.

"Israel’s parliament on Thursday passed a law denying naturalization to Palestinians from the occupied West Bank or Gaza married to Israeli citizens" Don't agree with the headline or the law. They aren't banning spouses, they are banning naturalization of them. I don't know what other visas are applicable for Israel, in Japan if you get married you can get a spouse visa(1,3,5 year) but you won't be able to get a perm…

Right ... So we here are opposing theories about this:

1) Journalists at Reuters suck, 2) It's standard clickbait to drive traffic in, or 3) Journalists at Reuters purposedly oriented their article.

Whatever the explanation is for this debacle of an article, I don't like it.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by Danidada »

pthread_t wrote: post #39

So, 21% of Israel's population has restrictions on who they could marry all so that they can maintain a majority of the favored demographic. This is apartheid.

they can marry whoever they want, they just won't be naturalized ie if a Palestinian marries an Israeli, the Palestinian won't get Israeli citizenship

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by sarchertech »

irrational wrote: post #116
School-Cotton wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Arab or Christian You mean Muslim or Christian (either of which can be Arab).

This is so annoying. It’s not rocket science to understand that Arabic is a language and you are only an Arab if your cultural language is Arabic. Not all Arabs are Muslims and not all Muslims are Arabs. It’s like saying that all who speak English are Christians. And all who are Christians speak English.

There are also many Arabic speaking Christians who don’t consider themselves to be Arabs culturally, and who definitely reject the label “Arab”.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by pthread_t »

1337shadow wrote: post #139
jeromegv wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow! So marrying Palestinians is banned because… those people are actually marrying terrorists.

Apparently, we have two opposed rationales. Rationale 1: Terrorists are constantly looking for ways to get in a country, if the marriage background checks are proven not to be secure then it makes sense to pause it until a solution is found indeed. Rationale 2: Jewish hate Arabs is the explanation for everything. And I'm saying it would have been great if the article provided enough information so that we could make…

“There’s no need to shirk from the essence of this law. It is one of the tools to ensure a Jewish majority in Israel, which is the nation-state of the Jewish people. Our goal is for there to be a Jewish majority,” Lapid tweeted shortly before the law lapsed in early July. [1]

[1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/months-after-citizenship-law-f...

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by A7med »

jonathan-adly wrote: post #60

This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…

not true , trying to justifying the Israel action by saying false information

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by 1337shadow »

frogstomp19 wrote: post #125
jonathan-adly wrote: post #60

This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…

FWIW, this law is not banning marriage, rather it's preventing Palestinians from becoming automatically naturalized citizens through marrying an Israeli citizen.

See how much people this article misguided? Incredible!

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by vageli »

1337shadow wrote: post #129
pthread_t wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The actual rationale was outright given by the politicians who enacted this law: it allows Israel's favored demographic to maintain a majority. It's in the article.

I'm sorry, I'm non native, I've read the article again and didn't find that, can I ask you to quote that please?

Fourth paragraph.

> Proponents say the law helps ensure Israel's security and maintains its "Jewish character".

> "The State of Israel is Jewish and so it will remain," said Simcha Rothman of the far-right Religious Zionism party, a member of the opposition who brought the law forward with Interior Minister Ayelet Shaked.

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