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Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by aaomidi »

jonathan-adly wrote: post #60

This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…

This is certainly not the case with Iran either.

Honestly it seems like you're just making shit up.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by 1337shadow »

ausbah wrote: post #81

>Some Knesset members said it was intended to prevent a gradual right of return for Palestinian refugees who were driven from their homes or fled during the 1948 war surrounding Israel's creation absolutely disgusting

Yep, talking about these times when arabs were with nazis, disgusting but interesting times to read about. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany...

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by solarhoma »

AQuantized wrote: post #144
solarhoma wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Israel was an ally they would be helping to supply weapons and armor to Ukraine. Instead they will not supply anything more than medication. The US gives Israel plenty of military $ for them to share in times of need. As a strictly emotional thought, this makes me feel Israel is a country to cozy up to the strongest nation at the time. If the US falls from grace Israel will have no problem ‘switching’ sides to Rus…

I think switching sides to China might be a more realistic possibility.

Agreed, they have been caught sending US military weapons and intel to China. Yet, the US still sends them ~$5B in military aid every year.

Which is equivalent to an $800 tax break the US gives the Israeli citizens each year.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by dotancohen »

mmaunder wrote: post #161
quelsolaar wrote: post #2

This is an apartheid regime. Plain and simple.

That is correct. I grew up under apartheid. This phrase is key: “ Proponents say the law helps ensure Israel's security and maintains its "Jewish character".” Consider if the US passed a law banning Mexican spouses from uniting with their US spouse to keep America’s “Christian character”.

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Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by aaomidi »

burnoutgal wrote: post #168
adielsa wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This article doesn’t really provide much in the way of explanation for why this law is being enacted. Here [0] is a better article that quotes supporters and objectors to the law. It includes the (IMHO not very convincing) figures that "Between 1993 and 2003, around 130,000 Palestinians were given Israeli citizenship or residency through family unification, including children, according to court filings. The Shin Bet…

well, and the israeli definition of "terror activities" for palestinians could be as simple as "showed up at a protest"

Yep. Qualitative words are meaningless.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by msoad »

jonathan-adly wrote: post #60

This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…

Unless Iran is not in the Middle East, you're 100% wrong about Iran. Lots of people I know married (officially in Iran) to their Iranian spouse from other religions.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by 1337shadow »

vageli wrote: post #159
1337shadow wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, I'm non native, I've read the article again and didn't find that, can I ask you to quote that please?

Fourth paragraph. > Proponents say the law helps ensure Israel's security and maintains its "Jewish character". > "The State of Israel is Jewish and so it will remain," said Simcha Rothman of the far-right Religious Zionism party, a member of the opposition who brought the law forward with Interior Minister Ayelet Shaked.

That does not explain why they believe marriages threaten its "jewish character", it does not explain why they think that. If it's about demographics, then the article should show graphics or at least some number projections so that we can build an opinion.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by pthread_t »

solarhoma wrote: post #135
School-Cotton wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same reason Russia is getting flak for invading and occupying territory (including, even, from Israel!) when Israel has illegally occupied the West Bank for decades with no consequences. Western countries apply their moral principles differently to their allies.

If Israel was an ally they would be helping to supply weapons and armor to Ukraine. Instead they will not supply anything more than medication. The US gives Israel plenty of military $ for them to share in times of need. As a strictly emotional thought, this makes me feel Israel is a country to cozy up to the strongest nation at the time. If the US falls from grace Israel will have no problem ‘switching’ sides to Rus…

> If Israel was an ally

"Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China" [1]

"a 2013 National Intelligence Estimate on cyber threats “ranked Israel the third most aggressive intelligence service against the US” behind only China and Russia" [2]

"Israel among the U.S.’s most threatening cyber-adversaries and as a “hostile” foreign intelligence service." [3]

"Israel’s snooping upset White House because information was used to lobby Congress to try to sink a deal" [4]

[1] https://www.military.com/defensetech/2013/12/24/report-israe...

[2] https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-nsa-document-highlights-is...

[3] https://theintercept.com/2015/03/25/netanyahus-spying-denial...

[4] https://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-spied-on-iran-talks-1427...

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by pyuser583 »

jonathan-adly wrote: post #60

This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…

Right, but a large number of Palestinians are Christian. The law doesn’t seem to apply to a Jewish Israeli who marries an American Christian, only a Jewish Israeli who marries a Palestinian.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by cs702 »

Here's an interesting exercise:

1. Substitute "Israel's Knesset" for ANY other legislative body anywhere.

2. Substitute "Palestinian" for ANY other nationality, ethnicity, race, sexual orientation, or other adjective describing a group to which YOU belong.

3. See if you like how it feels: "[Legislative body] passes law barring spouses who are [like you] from becoming citizens."

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