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Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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This is an apartheid regime. Plain and simple.

That is correct. I grew up under apartheid. This phrase is key: “ Proponents say the law helps ensure Israel's security and maintains its "Jewish character".”

Consider if the US passed a law banning Mexican spouses from uniting with their US spouse to keep America’s “Christian character”.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

#162

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As I replied to a similar comment that was deleted: this is irrelevant ancient history. What matters is that Israel is maintaining their illegal occupation even today, and even expanding it (building new settlements, etc.)

The fact that the Arab world united and attempted to destroy Israel through invasion multiple times is not ancient history and certainly not irrelevant.

It is entirely irrelevant to the illegal occupation of the West Bank and the illegal transfer of populations into occupied territory.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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I think anytime there is post on this lots of down voting and canned responses are posted. That's from both sides. I'm not sure what the solution is but I can't imagine any real conversation happening without one side or the other "keyboard warriors" derailing the conversation.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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> How do you think the French would react to the import of Arabs An Arab from Morocco would "import" to France - Morocco is an independent country. Israel does not recognize Palestine as an independent country but as territory belonging to Israel, and the IDF patrol the West Bank and haredi settlers create settlements there, in violation of UN resolutions.

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Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…

The article doesn’t mention religion anywhere. There are plenty of Christian and Muslim citizens of Israel, and plenty of Christian and Muslim Palestinians, so the marriages don’t have to be inter-religious. Inter-religious marriages are already impossible in Israel, and have been AFAIK forever (but you can fly to e.g. Cyprus to have one performed and it will be recognized in Israel).

What you say is true but it is also true that the religious minorities in Israel don't amount for much when it comes to the law. Israel's 'religious right' (the ultra-orthodox parties) have a lot of influence over marriage law in particular.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

#166

Can we sanction Israel next, please?

Times are definitely changing. The situation in Ukraine, especially coming right on the heels of two years of lockdown that has disrupted the "status quo" worldwide, I hope is going to be the catalyst for the western world to find new unity with respect to our shared values and reevaluate many things. We've seen several watershed moments over the past few years completely eviscerate well-established and seemingly unassailable power structures more or less overnight.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

#167

This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…

> This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country.

Just to put some extra emphasis on quite how wrong this is: they are likely banned in almost no Middle Eastern country. Source: Married a woman from and in a Middle Eastern country under heavy sanctions just a few years ago.

Ironically, the law in question is not about the legality of the marriage, but about the rights of getting citizenship afterwards, and indeed, I would not be able to become a citizen of this country by way of my marriage, so in that sense, it is similar.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

#168

This is an apartheid regime. Plain and simple.

This article doesn’t really provide much in the way of explanation for why this law is being enacted. Here [0] is a better article that quotes supporters and objectors to the law. It includes the (IMHO not very convincing) figures that "Between 1993 and 2003, around 130,000 Palestinians were given Israeli citizenship or residency through family unification, including children, according to court filings. The Shin Bet…

well, and the israeli definition of "terror activities" for palestinians could be as simple as "showed up at a protest"

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

#169

This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…

FWIW, this law is not banning marriage, rather it's preventing Palestinians from becoming automatically naturalized citizens through marrying an Israeli citizen.

That's the point. There is no path to becoming "naturalized", a legal resident or much more-so a citizen in your own country - whether you see that as Palestine or Israel. This is just one more mechanism to humiliate a population of millions.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

#170

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> Arab or Christian You mean Muslim or Christian (either of which can be Arab).

This is so annoying. It’s not rocket science to understand that Arabic is a language and you are only an Arab if your cultural language is Arabic. Not all Arabs are Muslims and not all Muslims are Arabs. It’s like saying that all who speak English are Christians. And all who are Christians speak English.

(Too deep so I can't reply to sibling...)

And there are Arabic speaking Muslims who don't consider themselves Arabs (e.g. in north Africa), as well as Arabic speaking christians who are Arabs (e.g. in Iraq).

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