>Some Knesset members said it was intended to prevent a gradual right of return for Palestinian refugees who were driven from their homes or fled during the 1948 war surrounding Israel's creation
absolutely disgusting
Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses
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#82It's certainly interesting how an oppressed people became the oppressor.
It happened time and time again in history. See Christianity in the Roman Empire, for example, or at least half a dozen revolutions. Or the Balkans. Oppressed people are not better because they are oppressed. They are still human and perfectly able to persecute others depending on the context.
Indeed. It's just sad that's the way it is. As much as we humans like history, we never seem to learn its lessons.
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#83This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…
The article doesn’t mention religion anywhere.
There are plenty of Christian and Muslim citizens of Israel, and plenty of Christian and Muslim Palestinians, so the marriages don’t have to be inter-religious.
Inter-religious marriages are already impossible in Israel, and have been AFAIK forever (but you can fly to e.g. Cyprus to have one performed and it will be recognized in Israel).
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#84This article doesn’t really provide much in the way of explanation for why this law is being enacted. Here [0] is a better article that quotes supporters and objectors to the law.
It includes the (IMHO not very convincing) figures that "Between 1993 and 2003, around 130,000 Palestinians were given Israeli citizenship or residency through family unification, including children, according to court filings. The Shin Bet security service told the Knesset on Monday that between 2001 and 2021, about 48 were involved in terror activities.”
48 of 130,000 amounts to 0.037% being involved in terrorist activities which seems very low to be used as justification for a law around security.
[0]: https://www.timesofisrael.com/after-coalition-battle-knesset...
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
South Africa took a lot of flak for their apartheid. Wonder why the same doesn't happen with this apartheid in the XXI century. That's a shame.
Same reason Russia is getting flak for invading and occupying territory (including, even, from Israel!) when Israel has illegally occupied the West Bank for decades with no consequences. Western countries apply their moral principles differently to their allies.
I'm not a fan of the occupation of the West Bank, but those are not 1:1 scenarios. West Bank was occupied after Jordan initiated the offensive, not Israel, as opposed to Russia who is the aggressor.
A 1:1 scenario would be if Ukraine invaded Russia and then Russia took control over Ukraine territory, which in that case i'd argue the outcry would be minimal.
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#86This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…
This is not about inter-religious marriages - this is about Arab or Christian Israeli citizens marrying other Arab or Christian Palestinians (or Lebanese and and a few other countries). This is as if the USA denied the right to extend your citizenship to a Mexican spouse - in some ways worse than the inter-religious thing.
> Arab or Christian
You mean Muslim or Christian (either of which can be Arab).
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#89>Proponents say the law helps ensure Israel's security and maintains its "Jewish character". What the fuck?
This article fails to explain the reasons for which proponents believe that marriage with Palestinians would threaten security or Jewish character of the country, failing the supposed neutrality of the article or compromising the supposed quality of journalists in charge of investigating this.
If you start dating and marrying “the enemy” suddenly they’re not the enemy anymore. You start to understand them and treat them as an equal. As more mixing happens, opinion will start to shift and the state will start to see some resistance to the disturbing and inhuman way they treat Palestinians. The state doesn’t want to have to start treating Palestinian’s like equals. This law may not make marriage between the two groups illegal but it makes it unworkable.
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#90The book of Ruth in the Hebrew bible tells the story of ~5th century BCE Israeli refugees to neighbouring Moab. The story is repeated in the old testament in the Christian Bible. In Moab, the son marries Ruth, a local Moabite woman. Even though the son dies, when conditions in Israel improve, Ruth agrees to return to Israel with her mother-in-law. Another Moabite woman who marries another of the sons refuses the opportunity to leave Moab for Israel.
As the Book of Ruth makes clear, Ruth herself was a formidable woman. From her descended famous Israeli offspring such as King David, King Solomon and, if you are Christian, Jesus Christ himself.