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Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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I'm not a fan of the occupation of the West Bank, but those are not 1:1 scenarios. West Bank was occupied after Jordan initiated the offensive, not Israel, as opposed to Russia who is the aggressor. A 1:1 scenario would be if Ukraine invaded Russia and then Russia took control over Ukraine territory, which in that case i'd argue the outcry would be minimal.

As I replied to a similar comment that was deleted: this is irrelevant ancient history. What matters is that Israel is maintaining their illegal occupation even today, and even expanding it (building new settlements, etc.)

If history doesn't matter why do you even consider it occupied territory?

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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“JAFFA, March 10 (Reuters) - Israel’s parliament on Thursday passed a law denying naturalization to Palestinians from the occupied West Bank or Gaza married to Israeli citizens, forcing thousands of Palestinian families to either emigrate or live apart.” Abhorrent but not about preventing marriages, at least not directly

Interestingly, the blurb talks about forcing families to split up. Does this law override permanent residency visas there?

"Can Non-Jewish People Settle In Israel?

Under the Law of Return, it is possible for non-Israeli family members of Israeli citizens to gain long-term residence status in Israel, including spouses/partners, children, and grandchildren, if they themselves are not Jewish.

Where a non-Israeli national is married to an Israeli citizen, they can initially acquire a temporary residence in Israel after six months. With this temporary status, they can then access the social welfare system in Israel, including healthcare. Citizenship is then possible after four years, however, the process for securing this is quite rigorous, as the Israeli immigration authorities want to be assured that the relationship is genuine.

Where a non-Israeli national is in a relationship with an Israeli citizen but they are not married (i.e. a civil partnership), it takes three years to gain temporary resident status in Israel. Permanent residence in Israel is possible after six years (as opposed to four for those who are married). However, those in a civil partnership cannot acquire citizenship, just permanent residency, regardless of how long the non-Israeli national lives in the country." https://immigrationlawyers-london.com/global-mobility/perman...

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

#123

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As I replied to a similar comment that was deleted: this is irrelevant ancient history. What matters is that Israel is maintaining their illegal occupation even today, and even expanding it (building new settlements, etc.)

The fact that the Arab world united and attempted to destroy Israel through invasion multiple times is not ancient history and certainly not irrelevant.

Most recently in 1973. Their occupation has gone on for almost fifty years since then.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Can we sanction Israel next, please?

USA just passed omnibus 2022 $1.5T spending bill which has $250 Million for Israel iron dome upgrades.. there is a POWERFUL Israeli lobby in the USA that won't let such sanctions get off the floor.

They got $1 billion for the iron dome [1]

Regarding the Israel lobby, it is strong, but it's losing its grip:

25% of American Jews consider Israel to be an apartheid state [2]

Young evangelicals are increasingly turning away from Israel [3]

[1] https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-u-s-senate-approves...

[2] https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/a-quarter-of-u-s-jews-agree-...

[3] https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2021/05/26/a...

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…

FWIW, this law is not banning marriage, rather it's preventing Palestinians from becoming automatically naturalized citizens through marrying an Israeli citizen.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Yeah see, sh*t like that happens when you make a country only based on/for a religion.

Jews are an ethnic group, not a religion. (Even if traditionally most members of that ethnic group followed a particular religion, many don’t now).

Except they will give residency to people that converted to Judaism via special programs not available to members of other religions.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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So, 21% of Israel's population has restrictions on who they could marry all so that they can maintain a majority of the favored demographic. This is apartheid.

The restriction applies to everybody, not just Israeli Arabs. However it is true that Israeli Arabs are the ones most affected by it.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Interesting conspiracy theory, but the actual rationale has been shared in another comment: it's an overreaction to a number of events involving marrying terrorists to get them in the country. About "the enemy", one side is constantly attacking the other, but you might be surprised to know which is which - or, you believe you have justifications. Anyway, my conspiracy theory is that this article purposely omits conte…

The actual rationale was outright given by the politicians who enacted this law: it allows Israel's favored demographic to maintain a majority. It's in the article.

I'm sorry, I'm non native, I've read the article again and didn't find that, can I ask you to quote that please?

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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This isn't even remotely true. Anyone can marry inter-religiously in Turkey. Jewish, Christian or Muslim doesn't matter. Please get your facts right.

Yes. Turkey that genocided its Christian population a couple of generations ago.

The world was very different a couple of generations ago, let alone the hundred years you're talking about. You'll be shocked to hear what happened 20 years later.
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