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Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by JasonFruit »

School-Cotton wrote: post #83
jonathan-adly wrote: post #60

This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…

The article doesn’t mention religion anywhere. There are plenty of Christian and Muslim citizens of Israel, and plenty of Christian and Muslim Palestinians, so the marriages don’t have to be inter-religious. Inter-religious marriages are already impossible in Israel, and have been AFAIK forever (but you can fly to e.g. Cyprus to have one performed and it will be recognized in Israel).

> "The State of Israel is Jewish and so it will remain," said Simcha Rothman of the far-right Religious Zionism party, a member of the opposition who brought the law forward with Interior Minister Ayelet Shaked. "Today, God willing, Israel's defensive shield will be significantly strengthened," he told the Knesset hours before the vote.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by jonathan-adly »

this-way-cool wrote: post #100
jonathan-adly wrote: post #60

This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…

This isn't even remotely true. Anyone can marry inter-religiously in Turkey. Jewish, Christian or Muslim doesn't matter. Please get your facts right.

Yes. Turkey that genocided its Christian population a couple of generations ago.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by [deleted] »

School-Cotton wrote: post #91
mupuff1234 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a fan of the occupation of the West Bank, but those are not 1:1 scenarios. West Bank was occupied after Jordan initiated the offensive, not Israel, as opposed to Russia who is the aggressor. A 1:1 scenario would be if Ukraine invaded Russia and then Russia took control over Ukraine territory, which in that case i'd argue the outcry would be minimal.

As I replied to a similar comment that was deleted: this is irrelevant ancient history. What matters is that Israel is maintaining their illegal occupation even today, and even expanding it (building new settlements, etc.)

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Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by pavelrub »

simiones wrote: post #80
jonathan-adly wrote: post #60

This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…

This is not about inter-religious marriages - this is about Arab or Christian Israeli citizens marrying other Arab or Christian Palestinians (or Lebanese and and a few other countries). This is as if the USA denied the right to extend your citizenship to a Mexican spouse - in some ways worse than the inter-religious thing.

> this is about Arab or Christian Israeli citizens

This is incorrect. There is no distinction in the law between Arab Israelis and Jewish Israelis. The law applies equally to Israeli Jews who wish to marry a resident of the WB/Gaza, or one of the other countries mentioned in the law.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by irrational »

School-Cotton wrote: post #86
simiones wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not about inter-religious marriages - this is about Arab or Christian Israeli citizens marrying other Arab or Christian Palestinians (or Lebanese and and a few other countries). This is as if the USA denied the right to extend your citizenship to a Mexican spouse - in some ways worse than the inter-religious thing.

> Arab or Christian You mean Muslim or Christian (either of which can be Arab).

This is so annoying. It’s not rocket science to understand that Arabic is a language and you are only an Arab if your cultural language is Arabic.

Not all Arabs are Muslims and not all Muslims are Arabs.

It’s like saying that all who speak English are Christians. And all who are Christians speak English.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by ComputerGuru »

jonathan-adly wrote: post #113
this-way-cool wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't even remotely true. Anyone can marry inter-religiously in Turkey. Jewish, Christian or Muslim doesn't matter. Please get your facts right.

Yes. Turkey that genocided its Christian population a couple of generations ago.

Yes, that Turkey is more fair than Israel.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by VictorPath »

this-way-cool wrote: post #100
jonathan-adly wrote: post #60

This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…

This isn't even remotely true. Anyone can marry inter-religiously in Turkey. Jewish, Christian or Muslim doesn't matter. Please get your facts right.

There is no law banning inter-religious marriage in Lebanon either.

What different churches and such allow in terms of inter-marriage is left up to them, just like in, say, the US. But no laws prevent religious intermarriage.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by jeromegv »

1337shadow wrote: post #96
basisword wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you start dating and marrying “the enemy” suddenly they’re not the enemy anymore. You start to understand them and treat them as an equal. As more mixing happens, opinion will start to shift and the state will start to see some resistance to the disturbing and inhuman way they treat Palestinians. The state doesn’t want to have to start treating Palestinian’s like equals. This law may not make marriage between the…

Interesting conspiracy theory, but the actual rationale has been shared in another comment: it's an overreaction to a number of events involving marrying terrorists to get them in the country. About "the enemy", one side is constantly attacking the other, but you might be surprised to know which is which - or, you believe you have justifications. Anyway, my conspiracy theory is that this article purposely omits conte…

Wow! So marrying Palestinians is banned because… those people are actually marrying terrorists.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by moltke »

themaninthedark wrote: post #107
moltke wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if you've noticed but it's usually very difficult to criticize Israel outside of the darker corners of the internet.

I would not call HN a darker corner of the internet...

This thread is why I said "usually."
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