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Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by esyir »

mardifoufs wrote: post #213
cafard wrote: post #198

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Was Russia invading that protest at the time?

Does that matter? So national socialist groups are okay in times of war? Associating with Neonazi groups is suddenly fine when they are fighting on the side you cheer for? Fuck the russian government and their war of aggression, unequivocally. Ive lost a distant friend in syria during The russian government's intervention there, and some of my current refugee friends lost their homes to their bombs. So yes I have no…

Yes. When you're fighting for literal survival, if you're so married to virtue signaling at that point that you don't fight the existential threat first, you're probably fucked.

Do I like nazis? No. Do I associate with them? No. If working together with one is how I stop some jackass from killing us both, am I going to do it? Sure as hell yes.

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Post by kkfx »

IMVHO that's *alone* it's a proof that actual narrative "Ukraine is the democratic invaded country and Russian the dictatorship invading it" is just propaganda, so *far from being true*.

I have not much sympathy for dictators in general, but the fact that's Putin is a dictator does not means the others are good and democratic people and that's *must be* learnt for the sake of our democracies because actually our own propaganda sound exactly like Chinese one, no more "news", no more "truth", no more "debate", just single-party official directive. In China the single party is formal, have uniforms and a flag, here it's anonymous suit and tie, no flags, but the rest is exactly the same.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by Mordisquitos »

pydry wrote: post #239
Mordisquitos wrote: post #100

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Even though a no-fly zone would certainty imply a warning of violence, it is not in itself an act of violence when established only in the airspace of a willing nation to the detriment of an aggressor. Russia has no inalienable right to fly over Ukrainian territory. I am not a supporter of the no-fly zone request from Ukraine, and it would almost certainty escalate the situation to the point of NATO being at war with…

>Russia has no inalienable right to fly over Ukrainian territory. It's not about rights. It's about whether you want to wake up to a mushroom cloud.

The discussion was not about wants, predictions, or evaluation of pros and cons. It was about whether or not declaring a no-fly zone over a country that requests it is an act of violence.

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Post by eurasiantiger »

ratsmack wrote: post #214
mardifoufs wrote: post #158

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I just hope no one ever uses the catchy rule of thumb that"if 9 people sit around a table with 1 nazi, there are 10 nazis around that table" again seriously after this haha. It's that not even 1 month ago if one person at a protest had a nazi flag everyone protesting there was also labeled a nazi. But you got NATO publicly glorifying soldiers with literal nazi insignia (the black sun) and that's just being the good g…

I had never heard of Oliver Stone's "Ukraine On Fire" documentary until YouTube banned it, so I watched it last night to see what the problem was. It seemed to be a well documented summary of the events in Ukraine in the last 25 years or so. One notable thing was the number of times Nazis were entered into the picture, and it is strange that no one is talking about it. I can say my perspective has changed a little bi…

Those Nazi groups may have been established by a certain foreign nation primarily to discredit the civil movement and to establish cause for military intervention.

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Post by zozbot234 »

barbacoa wrote: post #21

It's going to be really awkward when this is all over and big tech has to pivot back to when nationalism, strong borders, private firearm ownership, and armed neo-nazi militias[0] were all bad things. [0] https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-ba...

That's not the point, really. This is real, hard proof, courtesy of Facebook and Instagram, that the West are a bunch of rabidly anti-Russian Nazis just like Putin has been saying all along! It's hard to think of a worse move. Now, if they had simply clarified that calls to military self-defense in the face of an internationally-condemned "military operation" don't count as "calls to violence", that would be a very different matter. But that's not what they did!

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Post by verve_rat »

nradov wrote: post #114
delusional wrote: post #94

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War makes unlikely alliances. If you're fighting for the existence of your country you're not going to say no to the help of nazis. And if you're using the biggest social media platform on the planet to organize that war, you're going to want your allies on it. What you've just discovered is that a unified policy across the entire world isn't actually the right policy. In one country you may want to ban some stuff yo…

How should Facebook adjust policies on a country by country basis? Should Facebook ban content on homosexuality or marijuana use in countries where those things are illegal?

Yeah, probably. You might not like it, but if you want to do business in a country, you generally need to follow their laws. That's how this shit works. Don't like it? Don't do business there.

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Post by [deleted] »

eurasiantiger wrote: post #254
ratsmack wrote: post #214

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I had never heard of Oliver Stone's "Ukraine On Fire" documentary until YouTube banned it, so I watched it last night to see what the problem was. It seemed to be a well documented summary of the events in Ukraine in the last 25 years or so. One notable thing was the number of times Nazis were entered into the picture, and it is strange that no one is talking about it. I can say my perspective has changed a little bi…

Those Nazi groups may have been established by a certain foreign nation primarily to discredit the civil movement and to establish cause for military intervention.

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Post by ttybird2 »

ABoredBirb wrote: post #223
ashwagary wrote: post #220

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Where in the hell are you getting 10% from? Ukraine has a multi-party government and their neo-nazis don't have even a single seat in their rather large parliament.

I saw this yesterday but I do not know how accurate it is https://twitter.com/AngletonOrchids/status/15010254143865241...

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by [deleted] »

Mordisquitos wrote: post #253
pydry wrote: post #239

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>Russia has no inalienable right to fly over Ukrainian territory. It's not about rights. It's about whether you want to wake up to a mushroom cloud.

The discussion was not about wants, predictions, or evaluation of pros and cons. It was about whether or not declaring a no-fly zone over a country that requests it is an act of violence.

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