Are We The Baddies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JOpPNra4bw
2 mins of hate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4zYlOU7Fpk
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#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
>War makes unlikely alliances. If you're fighting for the existence of your country you're not going to say no to the help of nazis. Well said. When Nazi Germany occupied Denmark it was a far-right conservative Danish resistance movement that helped Danish Jews flee to Sweden.
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Yes, mass refugee movements are laden with problems.
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#233Not surprisingly, this is a heavily editorialised headline, moderately so on HN and more-so on Reuters. The actual content states (emphasis mine): ...temporarily allowing some posts that call for death to Russian President *Vladimir Putin* or Belarusian President *Alexander Lukashenko* in *countries including Russia, Ukraine and Poland*... There's a massive difference between calling for the death of your Russian nei…
Did you miss the previous paragraph? >Meta Platforms (FB.O) will allow Facebook and Instagram users in some countries to call for violence against Russians and Russian soldiers in the context of the Ukraine invasion People here are upset by "russians", which could conceivably mean russian civilians.
>in the context of the Ukraine invasion
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#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah no. Nazis are bad. But it’s okay to praise Nazis for doing good things. This is perfectly internally consistent.
Controversial take. "Nazis who travel to Ukraine to fight Russians are less bad people doing morally and ethically ambiguous things. Once they leave Ukraine, the actions they performed involving Russians are both unethical (because they willingly travelled there to murder conscripted teenagers) and ethical (because they willingly travelled there, presumably to defend the sovereignty of a nation they have tenuous cult…
But most of the nazis people speak of in the context of Ukraine are not foreigners traveling there, but Ukrainian citizens.
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#235Can we argue that social media Facebook/Twitter and Co becomes the most effective weapon ever ? I mean, you can keep the population highly motivated, you can shift the perception of war. Right now even people returning to Ukraine for fighting, I think it is highly driven by social media.
If the answer is yes,could we conclude that most of the war related content is not really controlled by Facebook and rather by the military?
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#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
If Russia starts WW3 they'll be nuked as well. Contrary to popular belief, Putin is all but stupid or crazy, and he'd never put himself and his country in a position to lose everything. If NATO or any other EU country shoots down a Russian plane -in Ukraine- Russians will retaliate -in Ukraine- with conventional weapons. But this time they know the odds might be against them and probably will be more inclined to real…
>If NATO or any other EU country shoots down a Russian plane -in Ukraine- Russians will retaliate -in Ukraine- with conventional weapons. I think this is a sensitive area where acting like there is any certainty is dangerous. I can't agree with your assumptions about 2nd order and 3rd order effects because there are too many known and unknown variables to consider.
I think it is safe to assume nobody would like to start a nuclear war because of ensured mutual partial or total destruction; intervention in Ukraine with conventional weapons only would send a clear message that there is no will to reach that level.
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#237It's ridiculous to assume that "I hate my neighbor and am going to kill him" and "there's a Russian army invading my city, we should set up an ambush" should be held to the same standard of speech. Of course, a larger question is whether Facebook should be the arbiter for this in the first place, but then the content is posted on their own private platform, and unlike a lot of people here I still think they should ha…
> "there's a Russian army invading my city, we should set up an ambush"
I believe a zero tolerance policy on incitement to violence is the only tenable approach. No matter the cause. Replace "Russian" with "US" and you are on CIA's shitlist.
Actual planning of armed resistance should not be done on Facebook or Twitter anyway.
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#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had never heard of Oliver Stone's "Ukraine On Fire" documentary until YouTube banned it, so I watched it last night to see what the problem was. It seemed to be a well documented summary of the events in Ukraine in the last 25 years or so. One notable thing was the number of times Nazis were entered into the picture, and it is strange that no one is talking about it. I can say my perspective has changed a little bi…
> One notable thing was the number of times Nazis were entered into the picture, and it is strange that no one is talking about it. The violent phase of the Maiden square riots looked like postapocalyptic neonazi live action roleplaying. Clear nazi esthetics. I guess many of them were to, in hindsight. It is strange becouse I guess the Ukraine gov. does not need the Azov batallion anymore. They probably can't get rid…
As long as Ukraine fighting a war, that would be impossible. If they will sign peace and focus on economic development to join EU, neo-nazi topic will change its polarity and become toxic again. There is no way Ukraine can join EU with "Pravy sector" being legal organization.
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#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
"A no-fly zone" is one of the worst misnomers out there. In this case, it means that NATO - and specifically the USA - will start shooting Russian aircrafts. Sending NATO aircraft is not different from sending tanks. I understand why Ukrainians are asking for it but there is a reason NATO can't get involved.
Even though a no-fly zone would certainty imply a warning of violence, it is not in itself an act of violence when established only in the airspace of a willing nation to the detriment of an aggressor. Russia has no inalienable right to fly over Ukrainian territory. I am not a supporter of the no-fly zone request from Ukraine, and it would almost certainty escalate the situation to the point of NATO being at war with…
>Russia has no inalienable right to fly over Ukrainian territory.
It's not about rights. It's about whether you want to wake up to a mushroom cloud.
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
> One notable thing was the number of times Nazis were entered into the picture, and it is strange that no one is talking about it. The violent phase of the Maiden square riots looked like postapocalyptic neonazi live action roleplaying. Clear nazi esthetics. I guess many of them were to, in hindsight. It is strange becouse I guess the Ukraine gov. does not need the Azov batallion anymore. They probably can't get rid…
As long as Ukraine fighting a war, that would be impossible. If they will sign peace and focus on economic development to join EU, neo-nazi topic will change its polarity and become toxic again. There is no way Ukraine can join EU with "Pravy sector" being legal organization.
With "war" do you mean 2014+ or the full invasion?
I understand that the gov. can't disband them now since they will just disobey orders and there is no resources to arrest them, but there was plenty of time before that.
Using more or less neonazis as a separate unit is just begging for problems, even if you are fighting separatist militia. Thinking about it, it is total madness. There is a insane internal security risk having them in a unit.