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Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by yywwbbn »

mrtksn wrote: post #71

That's appalling and will be one of the last coffins on foreign run communication systems everywhere. Can you imagine that some techies in California start deciding which people are to be attacked in your country or by your country? It's also probably not techies that are deciding that but that's not the point. That's such a nation security threat that no country with sane government can afford to allow. Wars, genoci…

Facebook is not really making a decision themselves here, they’re just basically reacting to the prevalent public sentiment in the west. It’s not particularly different to what newspapers etc. were doing during WW1, WW2 or any other war (to a certain degree).

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Post by thesmok »

barbacoa wrote: post #21

It's going to be really awkward when this is all over and big tech has to pivot back to when nationalism, strong borders, private firearm ownership, and armed neo-nazi militias[0] were all bad things. [0] https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-ba...

What's awkward right now is how people in the west say "nazi" because some Ukrainians are wearing some pagan symbols while defending their land.

While Russians are actually committing was crimes saying Ukrainian nation is not a real one.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by yywwbbn »

Thorentis wrote: post #16

Ah yes, the double standards continue to show themselves. We can hate whoever the tech giants say we can hate.

They seem to be merely reacting to what general public opinion is (I assume their goal is to keeping their platform relevant rather than to shift what people think).

If there was a widespread negative reaction to what they are doing in the west (or amongst their target audience)I’m sure they’d quickly change their policy.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by yywwbbn »

johndfsgdgdfg wrote: post #28

Sometimes I think what would happen if China invades Taiwan? Would FB and IG still allow calls for violence against Chinese? I am pretty sure many people will change their tunes when it comes to China, similar to what happened regarding COVID.

I’m sure they’ll fall in line with whatever the US government policy is.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by AA-BA-94-2A-56 »

Misleading title and article. Facebook and Instagram are allowing people in countries neighboring Russia to call for violence against Russian who are not civilians.

"We still won’t allow credible calls for violence against Russian civilians,” Meta said in a statement."

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/mar/11/facebook-...

This article from Reuters is at best clickbait, and at worse Russian pro-war propeganda. People are eating this stuff up because they have a hate-boner for progressives, wokeism, and Facebook. If this confirms your biases too well, it might be a good idea to cross-examine.

Edit: When Meta actually allows calls for violence against Russian civilisans, I will be the first to complain. After all, I am Russian by blood.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by t0bia_s »

gruez wrote: post #135
t0bia_s wrote: post #120

So hate speech is now new trend? Or prepare for war? Where are so called the regulations of extremism?

Actually it's not hate speech because "hate speech" is actually "hate or encourages violence towards a person or group" + power/oppression. Because Russians are the oppressors in this case, such speech against them can't be considered hate speech. /s

Those trends could make social justice warriors quite schizophrenic. One year against hate, another fully approve, because...

It's like that stupid joke... "I hate racism and Russians (or whatever)."

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by yywwbbn »

Ice_cream_suit wrote: post #191

Sadly, being anti-Russian has become the new green. Russian's are humans too and deserve as much respect and consideration as every other nationality. Remember, next time your race / religion / sexual orientation/ nationality might be the one being demonised, simply because someone powerful can make money out of having the masses hate you. Resist the urge to give into mindless hatred and jingoism.

The Russian people (unlike most other people in history who were targets of ethnic hatred) have the full control to stop this, though.

I don’t think any Russians who have declared their opposition to their current government are explicitly targeted. And it’s doubtful that most western people could easily tell a Russian and an Ukrainian apart. So I fail to see the ethnic/racial component here and I think it’s perfectly legitimate to discriminate people based on their political views in certain cases (supporting an unprovoked war of aggression by a less democratic country against a more democratic one (however flawed) is definitely one of them).

If you equate the Russian people and the Russian government with all of it’s supporters (explicit and implicit ones) that’s on you..

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by yywwbbn »

gruez wrote: post #116
Mordisquitos wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even though a no-fly zone would certainty imply a warning of violence, it is not in itself an act of violence when established only in the airspace of a willing nation to the detriment of an aggressor. Russia has no inalienable right to fly over Ukrainian territory. I am not a supporter of the no-fly zone request from Ukraine, and it would almost certainty escalate the situation to the point of NATO being at war with…

>I am not a supporter of the no-fly zone request from Ukraine, and it would almost certainty escalate the situation to the point of NATO being at war with Russia. However, it would be theoretically possible for the no-fly zone to be imposed without a single Russian plane being shot down—all Russia would have to do is to cease flying over Ukraine. Why not go further? Why stop at the air? Why not make the whole country…

If NATO declared a no fly zone, assuming the Russian government is rational and primarily concerned about about their military objectives, it would immediately remove all their planes from Ukraine because it’s almost certain that the Western powers would obtain full aerial supremacy very fast. And any full scale attempt by Russia to contest it would lead to the destruction of their airforce.

With ground forces it’s not that clear, Russia could still try to and potentially succeed to achieve some military objectives (especially if they are able to occupy any densely populated areas before NATO forces show up) because NATO countries would be 100x times less willing to sacrifice the lives of their soldiers and probably much less willing to risk civilian casualties.

Also, assuming there is a guarantee (which is obviously impossible) I assume most people in western countries would support a no fly zone. I expect much fewer would support actual boots on the ground even given the same guarantee.

Of course the risk of escalation is too great in either case..

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by mrtksn »

hoffs wrote: post #230
mrtksn wrote: post #71

That's appalling and will be one of the last coffins on foreign run communication systems everywhere. Can you imagine that some techies in California start deciding which people are to be attacked in your country or by your country? It's also probably not techies that are deciding that but that's not the point. That's such a nation security threat that no country with sane government can afford to allow. Wars, genoci…

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Why don't you provide some arguments instead? That's seriously low quality comment right there that doesn't amount to anything other than a personal attack. This shouldn't have place in HN.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by throw-ru-938 »

ejanus wrote: post #218
djrogers wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only potential caveat is if Russia uses nukes That's a ridiculously huge caveat - especially since the guy in charge appears to be unstable and has already threatened to use them. Triggering Putin would potentially be condemning hundreds of millions of people to death.

How did you get your information that he is 'unstable"?

...the sources said Macron had been struck by how different Putin was to the man he had met in his summer residence on the French Riviera three years ago.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/moscow-macron-found-dif...

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