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Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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A no fly-zone officially drags NATO into the conflict and WW3 kicks off.

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lol lots of countries thought Russia was a pushover. Also if Russia starts losing they will start launching nukes. Maybe not a "end all civilization" nuke but say one aimed at a middle sized US city like say Portland or Little Rock to prove a point. Are you ready for that? Same for European cities.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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"A no-fly zone" is one of the worst misnomers out there. In this case, it means that NATO - and specifically the USA - will start shooting Russian aircrafts. Sending NATO aircraft is not different from sending tanks. I understand why Ukrainians are asking for it but there is a reason NATO can't get involved.

Not a good reason

"not starting the ww3" is not a good reason?

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A no fly-zone officially drags NATO into the conflict and WW3 kicks off.

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> The only potential caveat is if Russia uses nukes

That's a ridiculously huge caveat - especially since the guy in charge appears to be unstable and has already threatened to use them. Triggering Putin would potentially be condemning hundreds of millions of people to death.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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It's going to be really awkward when this is all over and big tech has to pivot back to when nationalism, strong borders, private firearm ownership, and armed neo-nazi militias[0] were all bad things. [0] https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-ba...

War makes unlikely alliances. If you're fighting for the existence of your country you're not going to say no to the help of nazis. And if you're using the biggest social media platform on the planet to organize that war, you're going to want your allies on it. What you've just discovered is that a unified policy across the entire world isn't actually the right policy. In one country you may want to ban some stuff yo…

How should Facebook adjust policies on a country by country basis? Should Facebook ban content on homosexuality or marijuana use in countries where those things are illegal?

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Hate is hate. Morality is absolute, not relative.

Even as a moral absolutist myself that's a laughable oversimplification bordering on deliberate obtuseness. Obviously all hate is not the same. You call for the extermination of covid-19 and nobody will disagree with you. You call for the extermination of mosquitos and most people won't disagree with you. You call for the extermination of destructive invasive species and a majority of people will agree with you. Some…

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Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"A no-fly zone" is one of the worst misnomers out there. In this case, it means that NATO - and specifically the USA - will start shooting Russian aircrafts. Sending NATO aircraft is not different from sending tanks. I understand why Ukrainians are asking for it but there is a reason NATO can't get involved.

Even though a no-fly zone would certainty imply a warning of violence, it is not in itself an act of violence when established only in the airspace of a willing nation to the detriment of an aggressor. Russia has no inalienable right to fly over Ukrainian territory. I am not a supporter of the no-fly zone request from Ukraine, and it would almost certainty escalate the situation to the point of NATO being at war with…

>I am not a supporter of the no-fly zone request from Ukraine, and it would almost certainty escalate the situation to the point of NATO being at war with Russia. However, it would be theoretically possible for the no-fly zone to be imposed without a single Russian plane being shot down—all Russia would have to do is to cease flying over Ukraine.

Why not go further? Why stop at the air? Why not make the whole country a DMZ? After all,

"it would be theoretically possible for a demilitarized zone to be imposed without a single Russian soldier being injured—all Russia would have to do is to pull all military out of Ukraine."

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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post #90

It's going to be really awkward when this is all over and big tech has to pivot back to when nationalism, strong borders, private firearm ownership, and armed neo-nazi militias[0] were all bad things. [0] https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-ba...

The Israeli military is arming and training the neo-nazi militias in Ukraine. There are even Orthodox Jews who joined the Azov neo-nazi militias to defend Ukraine. Sometimes it can be complicated. https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukrainian-jews-push-back-again... https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-isr...

Israel sells weapons to anyone, it's just business.

As for the "orthodox jews fighting alongside nazis", that is just an unfounded claim, without any evidence other than double hearsay in a third-rate newspaper.

Orthodox jews often don't serve even in Israel (inb4: yes, yes, ulta-orthodox, etc etc, but still, and yeshiva students are still exempt).

I'd like to see stronger evidence than hearsay for this extraordinary claim, does it exist?

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

#118
post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A no fly-zone officially drags NATO into the conflict and WW3 kicks off.

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>The only potential caveat is if Russia uses nukes. But that doesn't start World War III. (However, It probably leads to a partition of Russia like the Allies did to Germany after WWII.)

and you know, most cities in the west being a nuclear wasteland

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

#119
Not surprisingly, this is a heavily editorialised headline, moderately so on HN and more-so on Reuters.

The actual content states (emphasis mine):

  ...temporarily allowing some posts that call for death to Russian President *Vladimir Putin* or Belarusian President *Alexander Lukashenko* in *countries including Russia, Ukraine and Poland*...
There's a massive difference between calling for the death of your Russian neighbor in US vs calling for the death of Vladimir Putin in Ukraine.
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