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Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

delusional wrote: post #102
rosndo wrote: post #63

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Ah no. Nazis are bad. But it’s okay to praise Nazis for doing good things. This is perfectly internally consistent.

I think the saying is "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Notice that when that second enemy isn't there, the friendship vanishes as well. Nazis can be accepted while fighting a bigger enemy without having to accept them when the enemy is defeated.

As Stalin said during WWII about working with the west: "You can walk with the devil to the end of the bridge."

But I think Schlock Mercenary has a better take on this: "The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more; no less."

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by bobthechef »

gruez wrote: post #124
causality0 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They said the calls for violence against Russian soldiers were allowed because this was being used as a proxy for the Russian military, and said it would not apply to prisoners of war. Again, this is deliberate obtuseness. If a pack of grizzly bears break into my house and I scream "Kill the bears!" I'm obviously not calling for genocide against ursus arctos horribilis.

I find it strange that you accuse me of being "obtuse", but you respond with the most softball examples. What about calls of violence against "russians"? Is "let's find russian nationals in ukraine and lynch them" okay? What about "let's invade russia and kill women children as payback"? I would hope not, but based on a permissive reading of the article it certainly seems allowed.

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Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by failedengineer »

rosndo wrote: post #63
bjt2n3904 wrote: post #38

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That's just it though. The position was never that it was BAD per-se. It's just... They wanted to control who was permitted to express nationalist sentiment, who were acceptable targets of "hate", and who was allowed to own guns.

Ah no. Nazis are bad. But it’s okay to praise Nazis for doing good things. This is perfectly internally consistent.

Controversial take.

"Nazis who travel to Ukraine to fight Russians are less bad people doing morally and ethically ambiguous things. Once they leave Ukraine, the actions they performed involving Russians are both unethical (because they willingly travelled there to murder conscripted teenagers) and ethical (because they willingly travelled there, presumably to defend the sovereignty of a nation they have tenuous cultural links with)"

Just wait 'til the Ukrainian Foreign Legion starts to be accused of things like massacres (whether legitimate or false reports for propaganda), then guys who were marching in BLM counter protests who went to Ukraine (again, running with the bad nazis doing good things) will have their social media histories paraded about to defame the entire foreign legion.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by FpUser »

mech422 wrote: post #60
hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #24

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"A no-fly zone" is one of the worst misnomers out there. In this case, it means that NATO - and specifically the USA - will start shooting Russian aircrafts. Sending NATO aircraft is not different from sending tanks. I understand why Ukrainians are asking for it but there is a reason NATO can't get involved.

That depends if you violate the no fly zone... No one would be forcing Putin to violate it.

I do not think he would give a flying fuck about zone. And if planes will be downed he will have to answer and the war starts. Russia's army can not hope to win conventional conflict with NATO and is ruled by a rabid man at the top. the only thing it can do in response is to use nukes. After that say goodbye to a world.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by gruez »

t0bia_s wrote: post #120

So hate speech is now new trend? Or prepare for war? Where are so called the regulations of extremism?

Actually it's not hate speech because "hate speech" is actually "hate or encourages violence towards a person or group" + power/oppression. Because Russians are the oppressors in this case, such speech against them can't be considered hate speech.

/s

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by throw_m239339 »

gruez wrote: post #126
throw_m239339 wrote: post #123

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> Okay, let's use your wording then. Would you say that in the hypothetical described above, that Islamophobia would be "all insignificant" and "least of people's worries"?

My bad, I didn't know Islam was a country with a government that decided to send tanks and jets to invade and bomb a foreign country... /s

That's the absurd parallel you are proudly are making as a sophist. Perhaps you should focus on making the Russian armies get the fuck out of Ukraine instead.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by mrtksn »

paxys wrote: post #13

It's ridiculous to assume that "I hate my neighbor and am going to kill him" and "there's a Russian army invading my city, we should set up an ambush" should be held to the same standard of speech. Of course, a larger question is whether Facebook should be the arbiter for this in the first place, but then the content is posted on their own private platform, and unlike a lot of people here I still think they should ha…

It's 2003, the US and UK invade Iraq claiming that they have WMD(which later was proven to be false).

Is it O.K. for Facebook to allow call for violence against Americans and the British? Should Facebook provide secure channel for the organisation of the assassination of T. Blair?

Zuckerberg moved by the struggle of the Palestinians, starts allowing Hamas to organize attacks through E2E encrypted channel on Israeli soldiers and politicians. Maybe when he is on it, should also provide them with historical location data of the person of interest? Is that alright?

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

thrixton wrote: post #119

Not surprisingly, this is a heavily editorialised headline, moderately so on HN and more-so on Reuters. The actual content states (emphasis mine): ...temporarily allowing some posts that call for death to Russian President *Vladimir Putin* or Belarusian President *Alexander Lukashenko* in *countries including Russia, Ukraine and Poland*... There's a massive difference between calling for the death of your Russian nei…

Even more of a massive difference calling for the death of Vladimir Putin in Russia...

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by squarefoot »

spiderice wrote: post #52
johndfsgdgdfg wrote: post #28

Sometimes I think what would happen if China invades Taiwan? Would FB and IG still allow calls for violence against Chinese? I am pretty sure many people will change their tunes when it comes to China, similar to what happened regarding COVID.

FB and IG already don't operate in China. Out of all the big tech companies, I would think that FB would have the least issue with standing up to China. Not necessarily saying they would. I don't know enough. But they certainly have a lot less conflict of interest.

They still have to buy their hardware in China, or from suppliers who buy in China.
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