Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

axios.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

381–390 of 452 posts

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

#381

Post by Bajeezus »

ilyich wrote: post #377
floucky wrote: post #273

The propaganda is also very strong on Chinese social media (especially Wechat). I leave in France and I know a few Chinese person that keep telling me that this war was mainly caused by USA, that the Ukraine president is a dictator and so on...

>that the Ukraine president is a dictator and so on... A year ago Zelensky closed all opposition TV channels on the pretext they were pro-Russian. [0] Not one or two. All of them. Since then there is no opposition TV in Ukraine. An extremely democratic move, isn't it? [0] https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-zelenskiy-bans-three-oppositio...

Three is not all.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

#382

Post by pas »

gambler wrote: post #369
ericbarrett wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The National Security Council's Pandemic Response Team, which would have integrated and coordinated warnings from such offices in the early days of the Coronavirus spread, was eviscerated in 2018. They tried to raise the alarm anyway, but were ignored: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/trump-fired-pandemic...

The article you're linking to is partisan propaganda [1] and doesn't address the question I've raised. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/16/no-white-...

The article you're linking to is also partisan propaganda.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

#383

Post by MathYouF »

estaseuropano wrote: post #348
MathYouF wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

While the poster you are responding to seems to be a mythical creature, this is very strange gatekeeping. Hacker news has never been a purely technical forum, given the business, marketing etc side of startup culture. This intermixes with legislation, geopolitics and many other topics. All these have a legitimate place here. To dismiss views of people with no strong tech background as not able to "filter their though…

I already made clear my reasoning:

> demonstrating expertise in a field where being wrong is easy to prove. I find expertise in a highly technical field trains one to filter their thoughts for demonstrable accuracy.

Your litany of past posts with a tone of incredulity at the people you reply to, as well as being a good example of having few posts on topics of technical complexity, make me not interested in engaging with you further, as it seems more like it struck a personal chord with you and that you're not discussing the merits of this observation in good faith.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

#384

Post by effingwewt »

msravi wrote: post #358
floucky wrote: post #273

The propaganda is also very strong on Chinese social media (especially Wechat). I leave in France and I know a few Chinese person that keep telling me that this war was mainly caused by USA, that the Ukraine president is a dictator and so on...

Oh, the irony! As an Indian, reading nytimes and bbc articles about India was a real eye opener on how much propaganda is passed off as 'opinion' and 'news' in the western press. I mean, the confidence and elan with which a narrative is pushed by blatantly hiding contrarian views and even facts is fascinating to observe, especially when you're on the ground looking at stuff firsthand. You really need to experience it…

This happened recently with the Canadian trucker convoy. So many videos showing people just being peaceful, they stopped honking when a bad law was passed to prohibit it- and they were labeled extreme terrorists who had donations/bank accounts frozen and confiscated.

In a way I'm glad this has all happened to show the few who remain faithful in media that it's all bullshit pushing some narrative.

This is all so blatant now that it's almost impossible to defend rationally.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

#385

Post by ilyich »

Bajeezus wrote: post #381
ilyich wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>that the Ukraine president is a dictator and so on... A year ago Zelensky closed all opposition TV channels on the pretext they were pro-Russian. [0] Not one or two. All of them. Since then there is no opposition TV in Ukraine. An extremely democratic move, isn't it? [0] https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-zelenskiy-bans-three-oppositio...

Three is not all.

In Ukraine the three was all. Since a year ago zero is all.

And there was not even a court decision. He just unplugged them overnight without notice. How democratic.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

#386

Post by car_analogy »

cameronh90 wrote: post #378
msravi wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would say propaganda requires intent - usually to achieve a political aim at the behest of the government. This is most certainly present, and is glaringly obvious when you're seeing events unfold firsthand and look at the reportage in western media very deliberately leave out happenings that don't tie in with the narrative being peddled. It definitely isn't just bias. It's wilful propaganda, with malicious inten…

Having known journalists, I think it's better to apply Hanlon's razor. Most articles are likely to be being written from some office in London by people who have no direct experience with the issue in question, and the primary metrics they'll be optimising for will be page views. For example, a writer for the Express won't write an article about how the British Empire screwed India because it will annoy the readershi…

> Most articles are likely to be being written from some office in London by people who have no direct experience with the issue in question

And they will use government sources, adding little more than stenography to whatever message their government wants to push.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

#387

Post by car_analogy »

msravi wrote: post #358
floucky wrote: post #273

The propaganda is also very strong on Chinese social media (especially Wechat). I leave in France and I know a few Chinese person that keep telling me that this war was mainly caused by USA, that the Ukraine president is a dictator and so on...

Oh, the irony! As an Indian, reading nytimes and bbc articles about India was a real eye opener on how much propaganda is passed off as 'opinion' and 'news' in the western press. I mean, the confidence and elan with which a narrative is pushed by blatantly hiding contrarian views and even facts is fascinating to observe, especially when you're on the ground looking at stuff firsthand. You really need to experience it…

I don't doubt you, but examples would greatly help.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

#388

Post by ashwagary »

throwawaycities wrote: post #346
ashwagary wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>However, it is very difficult to discern whether China miscalculated the response of the international community or they simply played Russia by riding both sides of the fence until push came to shove. These arent the only two choices, this binary approach is more reflective of your limited thinking than reality. Abstaining from votes that can't be won speaks volumes. Why take a position when not taking one is just…

> Abstaining from votes that can't be won speaks volumes. The UN General Assembly Resolution condemning Russia overwhelmingly passed. The UN Security Council Resolution on the other hand never had a chance of passing, but the international community still went forward with the vote they didn’t collectively “fold” knowing no matter what it wouldn’t pass. In either case a member of the UN abstaining from a vote is not…

>Though China was 1 of 35 Countries to abstain on the vote, the fact that they didn’t vote against the UN Resolution

>the international community still went forward with the vote they didn’t collectively “fold”

We were talking about China's vote specifically. Your unecessary and unwarranted pivot is very telling.

>it’s not about winning or losing as shown by the willingness to submit a Resolution for vote by the Security Council

I disagree and this is an assumption on your part, not a forgone conclusion.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

#389

Post by [deleted] »

sivakon wrote: post #368
fvv wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Belief From a country or countries where people are not free to inform themselves or to speech openly about opinions , that's where propaganda have are easily spread..

US banned Russian media for not spreading US narrative. Are you going to lecture the world about freeze peach?

[deleted]

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

#390

Post by jimmygrapes »

MathYouF wrote: post #338
Day1 wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

Quoted post unavailable.

I have the same misgivings in reaction to your comment as the siblings comments mention about gatekeeping... but at the same time, I agree with you. And I'm one of the people you mention.

Speaking solely for myself, your description of me, someone seeking smarter people than myself and mostly chiming in on political/business things, it is insightful and spot on. I don't contribute much, if any, to highly technical discussions, nor do I demonstrate my own expertise. I do have it (technical expertise), but I rarely see relevant times to bring it up, and when I do see those times it's usually better to stay silent or somebody else has already said what I wanted to better than I could.

So I contribute more (not much; I resisted creating an account for many years, and now try to limit myself) to the generalized topics we can all share interest in. If stories on those topics weren't there, I wouldn't say anything. In fact, I could get those exact same stories elsewhere with accompanying forum. The only reason I prefer it here is because of the smarter people.

Will that make HN more like reddit or ? Yeah, probably, and maybe that's not great.

In other words I'm near the epitome of the strawman you created, and I agree with you. I'll consider if my own participation can be modified to alleviate our shared concerns.

Post reply on HN