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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Belief From a country or countries where people are not free to inform themselves or to speech openly about opinions , that's where propaganda have are easily spread..

US banned Russian media for not spreading US narrative. Are you going to lecture the world about freeze peach?

No they didn't. I can still read sputnik and rt.com just fine if I want to. Why are you not telling the truth?

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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No, the point is that viral research is inherently dual-use regardless of intent: "You can't research against diseases/viruses/etc without procuring, creating and developing them."

Research about polio is not dual-use because there's no way to restart a polio epidemic in the enemy's country without it spreading to yours.

I'm not even sure that's true. Knowing anything about viruses means you're better placed to try and use them as a weapon versus someone who does no research on them.

You can try and find specific counter examples, but I think the idea that most virus research, and scientific research in general, could likely be repurposed for bad or good, is probably pretty accurate in general.

Policing "bad" science while allowing "good" science is probably an impossible task.

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Oh, the irony! As an Indian, reading nytimes and bbc articles about India was a real eye opener on how much propaganda is passed off as 'opinion' and 'news' in the western press. I mean, the confidence and elan with which a narrative is pushed by blatantly hiding contrarian views and even facts is fascinating to observe, especially when you're on the ground looking at stuff firsthand. You really need to experience it…

You always need to take anything in 'opinion', 'editorial' or 'analysis' sections with a grain of salt. That being said, bias does not automatically imply propaganda. Naturally someone raised in the UK/US is going to have a Western interpretation of actions and bias, but in most cases these are beliefs genuinely held. I'm sure as a British person I could find many areas where I disagree with you, and our particular v…

> I would say propaganda requires intent - usually to achieve a political aim at the behest of the government.

This is most certainly present, and is glaringly obvious when you're seeing events unfold firsthand and look at the reportage in western media very deliberately leave out happenings that don't tie in with the narrative being peddled. It definitely isn't just bias. It's wilful propaganda, with malicious intent.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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The propaganda is also very strong on Chinese social media (especially Wechat). I leave in France and I know a few Chinese person that keep telling me that this war was mainly caused by USA, that the Ukraine president is a dictator and so on...

Outside the west, there is a massive world that just sees things differently. Here the US is not a force for good but a warmongering empire. Think of it what you will but it would be wrong to discard it as mere propaganda. These are deeply held beliefs.

Isn't propaganda the perfect tool to create deeply held beliefs? I would even go as far as to say that propaganda is the only way to have deeply held beliefs. But maybe my definition of propaganda is too broad.

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> Because quite a lot of people in China think US is organizing an Eastern NATO, to "destabilize" the whole region. It probably doesn't help that this was a stated goal of the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

> It probably doesn't help that this was a stated goal of the Trans-Pacific Partnership. No it wasn't, and TPP had no security provisions at all.

Yeah it's really just a giant trade agreement. The US was an idiot for backing out.

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>Good WSJ article on Russia vs. China. In a nutshell, China miscalculated the situation. They will likely look to limit their bet (on Russia) for fear of becoming Russia 2.0 to the West. [1] The tweet is from Neil Cybart and WSJ. You may know him as one of the more accurate Apple analysts. And most people still to this day think either China miscalculated it, or China's official stance is somewhat unclear. ( Paul Gra…

> And most people still to this day think either China miscalculated it, or China's official stance is somewhat unclear. ( Paul Graham ) I was actually surprised China didn’t vote against the UN Resolution by the Generally Assembly condemning Russia’s violation of the UN Charter by the use of force and violation of Ukraine’s territorial integrity. Though China was 1 of 35 Countries to abstain on the vote, the fact th…

Didn't surprise me at all. China has generally been neutral in these things between the USA and Russia. They will trade with most people despite politics. I don't they care if it's a totalitarian state (Russia) or democratic state (USA-sorta) as long as there is business to be done.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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The propaganda is also very strong on Chinese social media (especially Wechat). I leave in France and I know a few Chinese person that keep telling me that this war was mainly caused by USA, that the Ukraine president is a dictator and so on...

>that the Ukraine president is a dictator and so on...

A year ago Zelensky closed all opposition TV channels on the pretext they were pro-Russian. [0] Not one or two. All of them. Since then there is no opposition TV in Ukraine.

An extremely democratic move, isn't it?

[0] https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-zelenskiy-bans-three-oppositio...

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You always need to take anything in 'opinion', 'editorial' or 'analysis' sections with a grain of salt. That being said, bias does not automatically imply propaganda. Naturally someone raised in the UK/US is going to have a Western interpretation of actions and bias, but in most cases these are beliefs genuinely held. I'm sure as a British person I could find many areas where I disagree with you, and our particular v…

> I would say propaganda requires intent - usually to achieve a political aim at the behest of the government. This is most certainly present, and is glaringly obvious when you're seeing events unfold firsthand and look at the reportage in western media very deliberately leave out happenings that don't tie in with the narrative being peddled. It definitely isn't just bias. It's wilful propaganda, with malicious inten…

Having known journalists, I think it's better to apply Hanlon's razor. Most articles are likely to be being written from some office in London by people who have no direct experience with the issue in question, and the primary metrics they'll be optimising for will be page views.

For example, a writer for the Express won't write an article about how the British Empire screwed India because it will annoy the readership. It's not propaganda, it's people who don't know what they're talking about desperately fighting over shrinking advertising revenue.

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There's a reason "dual purpose" exists as a term. Most American grade schools have "hacking devices", should we define that to be any computer. And at this point, the Russians have demostrated a clear willingness to lie about anything in pursuit of their geopolitical agenda (see: months of explicit denial of preparing for a Ukrainian invasion, by all levels of their government, in official statements).

Russians lie, but history tells us that so does everyone else: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPe5f5dcrGE (Why Leaders Lie?)

The US lied* in 2003 to invade Iraq.

Iraq was an autocracy that had previously invaded its neighbors multiple times and used chemical weapons against its own ethnic minorities.

Ukraine is a democracy, and has no recent history of aggression.

*At worst case. At best, they didn't verify too closely intelligence that said what they wanted it to say.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Biological material, especially if it is disease related, can be easily misused. This sounds like the effort the USA had 20+ years ago in helping Ukraine in securing and eliminating their nuclear arsenal. Not because the USA was interested in more nuclear weapons, but because they didn’t want terrorist getting ahold of them.

What would you call a lab which studies and looks to defend against diseases which could be weaponized?

A lab? Are there even many labs that are studying things that cannot be weaponized?
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