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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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I don’t know why China is so keen on helping Russia. Is this some kind of godfather deal and they want some massive ROI from Russia once things settle down a bit? Or is this some long-term strategy “against the West”?

They're part of the same anti-Western axis with the same enemies and similar enough goals. The Cold War has returned. Western politicians may refuse to see it, but reality has a way of making itself felt.

The Cold War never ended for the u.s.

The USSR fell apart, but the US kept building bases, toppling regimes, and expanding.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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> how does imply American incompetence? 1 million dead people kind of makes it seem an “a priori”

Even if we could blame American incompetence for the 1m death Americans, they can't be blamed for the pandemic as a whole. That does not make sense. The virus started spreading from China to dozens of countries before it even became a pandemic in the US.

Just different branches of the fault tree.

Some analyst will someday pull together a fault tree weighted by deaths and economic harm, and America’s share will (based on current trends) certainly weigh heavier than most.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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> ...and downplay Russia's actions in launching an unprovoked invasion I would argue it is not "unprovoked". By incorporating Ukraine, NATO will have a direct adjacent border with Russia head to head, and missiles will be placed along the border, right at Russia's doorstep, what a stupid strategy for world peace. Putin has told us over many years it's unacceptable for the Russians. Think when USSR tried to place miss…

> By incorporating Ukraine,

Except NATO never incorporated Ukraine, nor did they want to. Ukraine asked and were told no.

> a direct adjacent border with Russia head to head

There's always a direct NATO line. Ironically, if Russia annexes Ukraine and Belarus (as seems to be there goal) there will be a direct border between Russia and NATO.

> It's definitely unacceptable for Russia, remember what happened when USSR tried to place missiles in Cuba?

Back then long-range ICBMs didn't exist in large quantities. Nor did missile submarines or other assured second strike capability. The calculus has changed and proximity is no longer the valuable thing it once was.

Besides that, NATO doesn't put missiles in every member state. They aren't in Latvia/Lithuania/etc.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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post #274

> ...and downplay Russia's actions in launching an unprovoked invasion I would argue it is not "unprovoked". By incorporating Ukraine, NATO will have a direct adjacent border with Russia head to head, and missiles will be placed along the border, right at Russia's doorstep, what a stupid strategy for world peace. Putin has told us over many years it's unacceptable for the Russians. Think when USSR tried to place miss…

NATO doesn't "incorporate" countries.

Becoming part of NATO is a sovereign decision for a country.

But I guess "sovereignty" is an hard concept for imperialists to understand.

> Remember what happened when USSR tried to place missiles in Cuba?

Yes, there was no war. What is your point?

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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I don’t know about the ads, but here are their state media reports: They peddle Russia’s claim that US has bioweapons in Ukraine: https://www.newsweek.com/china-peddles-russias-claim-that-us... And here’s CGTN’s article on “biolabs” in Ukraine, citing Russia media outlets and officials: https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202203/1254330.shtml Edit: As pointed out by a commenter, the above article is from GlobalTimes, not…

The existence of biolabs is completely genuine. You can read more (from a .gov site) here [1]. They seem to have removed the fact-sheets from the site, but you can still access them on archive.org, like here [2]. The fact sheets don't have anything especially seedy on them but do confirm that the labs were funded by the US Department of Defense, and do work with pathogens. Point being you don't need the quotes. There…

Crucial question: does the DoD fund equivalent labs in other countries too, or is Ukraine an outlier?

If such activity is just business as usual for the DoD in every country, then it certainly weakens the case for anything nefarious happening specifically in relation to Ukraine.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Thanks, I wish we didn't need to do this and could use Reddit and Twitter like they used to exist a decade back.

Yeah sorry I am still trying to get into the habit or replacing twitter with nitter. Or could HN have the option to automatically replace it with nitter would be even better.

Install https://einaregilsson.com/redirector/ and you can set up rules to redirect from twitter to nitter.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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China needs oil, minerals, wood and food. Russia has all of these so a good relationship to Russia is a guarantee for access to those things. A weakened Russia might even need "assistance" to keep Siberia - where all those mentioned things are found - safe.

sounds like settlers of catan. What about fish?

China has access to the world's oceans and as such is not in dire need of fishing grounds.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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What would you call a lab which studies and looks to defend against diseases which could be weaponized?

BSL-4 CDC labs have smallpox, that doesn't make them bioweapon labs.

Um, yes it does? The reason those labs keep smallpox around is to study it as a bioweapon.

Here's an article from 2007 about the CDC shutting down a "bioweapons lab" at Texas A&M University: https://www.wired.com/2007/07/the-centers-for/

Texas A&M wasn't creating bioweapons, they were studying them as part of a bioweapons defense program.

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