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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by tablespoon »

plussed_reader wrote: post #25
DrinkWater wrote: post #5

I don’t know why China is so keen on helping Russia. Is this some kind of godfather deal and they want some massive ROI from Russia once things settle down a bit? Or is this some long-term strategy “against the West”?

What's not to understand? Russia is doing the pre-production research of how China will need to protect their economy when they put their military in Taiwan.

> What's not to understand? Russia is doing the pre-production research of how China will need to protect their economy when they put their military in Taiwan.

China will not get sanctioned like Russia has. The world's dependence on Chinese manufacturing is like Europe's dependence on Russian gas, times ten.

Or, more precisely, it will get sanctioned like Russia has, but like the Russian sanctions, they will include exceptions for everything the West needs to buy from China, which is nearly everything.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by Ourgon »

DrinkWater wrote: post #5

I don’t know why China is so keen on helping Russia. Is this some kind of godfather deal and they want some massive ROI from Russia once things settle down a bit? Or is this some long-term strategy “against the West”?

China needs oil, minerals, wood and food. Russia has all of these so a good relationship to Russia is a guarantee for access to those things. A weakened Russia might even need "assistance" to keep Siberia - where all those mentioned things are found - safe.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by snek_case »

tablespoon wrote: post #31
plussed_reader wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's not to understand? Russia is doing the pre-production research of how China will need to protect their economy when they put their military in Taiwan.

> What's not to understand? Russia is doing the pre-production research of how China will need to protect their economy when they put their military in Taiwan. China will not get sanctioned like Russia has. The world's dependence on Chinese manufacturing is like Europe's dependence on Russian gas, times ten. Or, more precisely, it will get sanctioned like Russia has, but like the Russian sanctions, they will include…

My understanding is some manufacturing is already moving away from China. If China invades Taiwan, the West won't be able to sanction them as quickly and as intensely, but it can accelerate the move to take its business elsewhere... Which it will have to do, because most of the world's most advanced chips come from TSMC, and if that's controlled by China, it's just dangerous.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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thereddaikon wrote: post #30
DrinkWater wrote: post #5

I don’t know why China is so keen on helping Russia. Is this some kind of godfather deal and they want some massive ROI from Russia once things settle down a bit? Or is this some long-term strategy “against the West”?

All of those things but also, supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine is internally consistent with their views on Taiwan. They cannot denounce Russian aggression on Ukraine but still openly claim Taiwan.

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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by robert_foss »

thereddaikon wrote: post #30
DrinkWater wrote: post #5

I don’t know why China is so keen on helping Russia. Is this some kind of godfather deal and they want some massive ROI from Russia once things settle down a bit? Or is this some long-term strategy “against the West”?

All of those things but also, supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine is internally consistent with their views on Taiwan. They cannot denounce Russian aggression on Ukraine but still openly claim Taiwan.

I'm pretty sure China recognized Ukraine as an independent country until very recently.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by throwaway894345 »

tablespoon wrote: post #31
plussed_reader wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's not to understand? Russia is doing the pre-production research of how China will need to protect their economy when they put their military in Taiwan.

> What's not to understand? Russia is doing the pre-production research of how China will need to protect their economy when they put their military in Taiwan. China will not get sanctioned like Russia has. The world's dependence on Chinese manufacturing is like Europe's dependence on Russian gas, times ten. Or, more precisely, it will get sanctioned like Russia has, but like the Russian sanctions, they will include…

It’s infuriating that the west allows itself to remain dependent on a dictatorship.
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