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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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No, there is not.

Unfortunately, there is. Following Go rules, since I no longer have the energy to dig up references for you, let’s just call ko.

No there isn’t, you’re spreading misinformation in a laughably obvious way.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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No foreign policy expert but it seems more complicated than that. China still does recognise Ukraine as independent in the sense it continues to push for respect of "territorial integrity". It's a key part of Chinese foreign policy, and is what China uses to maintain its false claim over Taiwan (which it sees as Beijing territory, notwithstanding that Taiwanese people see themselves as independent). Yet it still refu…

> notwithstanding that Taiwanese people see themselves as independent. It isn’t that cut and dry. Most Taiwanese people prefer the status quo, surely by no small measure due to the fact that an outright declaration of independence would provoke China, but still, people who paint the picture as black and white like you have are either advancing an agenda or simply ignorant of the facts on the ground in Taiwan.

> Most Taiwanese people prefer the status quo

The status quo is that they are independent, see themselves as independent, but simply haven't made some outright declaration.

It can both be true that they see themselves as already being independent, and also that they don't want to make an outright declaration.

Specifically, the ruling party has said that they don't need to make an outright declaration, because they are already independent.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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In the bigger context, we always did and still do. Even going so far to actively support some of them and not just tolerate. Especially when they were supposed to keep "communists" in check. Just some examples. Those lists are for the US but of course by no means is it exclusive to the US. - https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/02/americas-mos... (linked for the list, not for "Obama" - obviously it is indepen…

> In the bigger context, we always did and still do. Even going so far to actively support some of them and not just tolerate. Especially when they were supposed to keep "communists" in check. And the West may need get more comfortable with doing that, since we've seen some of the consequences. IMHO, sanctions against Belarus were probably a significant contributing factor to this war (i.e. they put Belarus in a posi…

We like to blame the West for the actions of dictators, but I wonder if a saner reading is that these things are generally inevitable. We wanted to "westernize" China by way of trade, and we probably succeeded to the extent that we could even if China remains communist. We sanctioned Belarus which probably would have become a dictatorship anyway. Similarly, I suspect your proposal to "make a deal with a dictator" will just result in that dictator declining his commitment on his deathbed (what does he have to lose? He's already gotten his lifelong dictatorship side of the deal).

Ultimately, democracy isn't just a way of organizing politically, it requires a culture that values/expects/demands democracy. If people don't value or demand democracy, then perhaps no amount of sanctions or toppling dictators is going to result in a reasonably democratic government, but conversely sanctions and toppling dictators probably isn't worsening the democratic prospect either (contrary to anti-Western propaganda and criticism).

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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> They seem to point to medical research to fight against diseases, rather than “biomilitary activities”. They are dual use research. Just like research for nuclear energy is the same as research for nuclear weapons. Research for rockets is the same for icbms. It's why we are so keen on preventing iran from developing their nuclear energy program. It's why we are worried about north korea's "space" program. The same…

Researching viruses in general is not a dual-use activity. Most viruses spread everywhere when they get out. Pathogens like anthrax can't spread from human to human, making them plausible weapons and proportionally decreasing the urgency of researching them. (The labs may have been researching anthrax but the odds are fair that none of their research involved anything that could be a weapon.) Edited to replace virus…

> proportionally decreasing the urgency of researching them

Unless your primary concern is defensive against biowarfare rather than natural outbreaks...which is indeed a priority for military research h.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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>Good WSJ article on Russia vs. China. In a nutshell, China miscalculated the situation. They will likely look to limit their bet (on Russia) for fear of becoming Russia 2.0 to the West. [1] The tweet is from Neil Cybart and WSJ. You may know him as one of the more accurate Apple analysts. And most people still to this day think either China miscalculated it, or China's official stance is somewhat unclear. ( Paul Gra…

One thing to note is China has always been pretty obtuse / cautious / isolationist about foreign policy that doesn't absolutely directly involve them. In recent decades that has changed ... but their public approach sometimes seems cautious in some places ... conflicting / less cautious in others.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Researching viruses in general is not a dual-use activity. Most viruses spread everywhere when they get out. Pathogens like anthrax can't spread from human to human, making them plausible weapons and proportionally decreasing the urgency of researching them. (The labs may have been researching anthrax but the odds are fair that none of their research involved anything that could be a weapon.) Edited to replace virus…

> proportionally decreasing the urgency of researching them Unless your primary concern is defensive against biowarfare rather than natural outbreaks...which is indeed a priority for military research h.

That's true, but it remains that bioweapon research is distinct from virus research.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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>Good WSJ article on Russia vs. China. In a nutshell, China miscalculated the situation. They will likely look to limit their bet (on Russia) for fear of becoming Russia 2.0 to the West. [1] The tweet is from Neil Cybart and WSJ. You may know him as one of the more accurate Apple analysts. And most people still to this day think either China miscalculated it, or China's official stance is somewhat unclear. ( Paul Gra…

> And as usual, Benedict Evans has much better take on the situation. Mostly likely because of his major in History. Which is?

It would seem to be two tweets with maybe 3 to 6 sentences (depending on if you think one word and a period is a sentence).

That's Twitter for you...

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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> And here’s CGTN’s article on “biolabs” in Ukraine, citing Russia media outlets and official There are biolabs in the Ukraine, as confirmed by Nuland in the Senate hearings. Whether they have bio-weapons or medical research, who knows, but you can perhaps understand that the Russians might be concerned? What's really amazing about this story that only days ago it was painted as a Q-anon theory. Turns out it was real…

There's a reason "dual purpose" exists as a term. Most American grade schools have "hacking devices", should we define that to be any computer. And at this point, the Russians have demostrated a clear willingness to lie about anything in pursuit of their geopolitical agenda (see: months of explicit denial of preparing for a Ukrainian invasion, by all levels of their government, in official statements).

>And at this point, the Russians have demostrated a clear willingness to lie about anything in pursuit of their geopolitical agenda

US history says the DOD, Pentagon, & the CIA are just as willing, if not more.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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>Good WSJ article on Russia vs. China. In a nutshell, China miscalculated the situation. They will likely look to limit their bet (on Russia) for fear of becoming Russia 2.0 to the West. [1] The tweet is from Neil Cybart and WSJ. You may know him as one of the more accurate Apple analysts. And most people still to this day think either China miscalculated it, or China's official stance is somewhat unclear. ( Paul Gra…

Those cancerous Twitter login modals are not letting me read the whole thread but I don't agree that China has much to lose here. They get a far weaker Russia much more dependent on them now economically. Russia is rich in fossil fuels which China lacks and has some advantages in defence and space tech which China can easily get their hands on. CCP might not be that confident about taking Taiwan now but they get a ma…

Sure but a far weaker Russia is what? The worlds 20th largest economy, with a history of having a geopolitical chip on its shoulder (I think most observers would agree that the Russian people would die before becoming ‘chinas little brother’) ?

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Well, I read your comment, I look around me, I see no item that is not "Made in China". There is no way China gets sanctioned for barely anything without years (decades ?) of re-industrialization of the west. Well, at some point, I even think that China could make the entire west civilization collapse just by stopping their exportation.

For consumer goods, sure. But much of that is not what makes up the entire west civilization, imho

A lot of people in the west couldn't potentially afford a single modern computer or a smartphone without any piece from China.

At least it would push us to take reusing more seriously. Brutal decoupling from China could be really, probably extremely hard, but in a lot of aspects, intellectually interesting to watch.

How Europe will react to adapt the current crisis regarding fossils will also be really interesting. I'm just hoping that it will accelerate the de-carbonation of our energy sources. But it's just that, hopes.

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