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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by jessaustin »

saiya-jin wrote: post #118
5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia has nowhere else to go now that western markets are closed to them. China will be able to buy natural gas and oil nearly at cost because nobody else is willing to buy them, and gets to dictate the prices it's willing to pay. It also gets a large market for the products of its industry with close to zero competition. At least that's the general feeling among Russian economists whom I've been reading lately.

Not so sure about that market part... its 160 million of mostly poor folks who are becoming massively more poor as we write here. That's not so lucrative market compared to ie Europe with 500+ million wealthier citizens. But yeah Chinese cheap stuff will not have much competition.

China can trade with Russia as much as it wants. Ukraine might sanction them, but no one else is going to cut off China.

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Post by ngcc_hk »

It is the strategy one should worry. With china backed by Russia it is a much bigger problem latter as you have a more self contained (energy and military strategy) empire with a sidekick. It is more like North Korea but on a much bigger scale. Given so far no good strategy to contain its ambition, and the diversion of focus to Europe, china will dominate pacific and the link on the land bridge. Originally it might be a rivalary but now forced cooperation.

Not sure how this bigger game being played out.

Btw short term asking china to help … it its so ridiculous but pop up so many times it is not even funny. What happen china really can deliver and work with Russia what then …

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by droptablemain »

waffleiron wrote: post #13

> Many of the ads, which are mostly clips of CGTN newscasts, sprinkle in pro-Russia, anti-NATO talking points and downplay Russia's actions in launching an unprovoked invasion of its neighbor. So what exactly did they say?

"unprovoked invasion of its neighbor" -- have you not heard of the 14,000 killed in Donbass over the last eight years?

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by 9wzYQbTYsAIc »

octopoc wrote: post #149
9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #119

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There does appear to be a growing body of evidence circumstantially suggesting that COVID-19 is due to American incompetence and gross negligence.

How so? If it leaked from a lab, it is almost certainly from the Wuhan lab. The Wuhan lab was a joint French-Chinese operation. Before COVID-19, EcoHealth (an organization with ties to the Wuhan lab) applied for a grant from DARPA to perform gain-of-function-esque research on COVID[1]. DARPA denied the application. [1] https://theintercept.com/2021/09/23/coronavirus-research-gra...

From [1]:

Other scientists contacted by The Intercept noted that there is published evidence that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was already engaged in some of the genetic engineering work described in the proposal and that viruses designed in North Carolina could easily be used in China. “The mail is filled with little envelopes with plasmid dried on to filter paper that scientists routinely send each other,” said Jack Nunberg, director of the Montana Biotechnology Center at the University of Montana.

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Post by zardo »

hkmaxpro wrote: post #129
maratc wrote: post #115

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Genuine question: Why would the US Department of Defence fund "medical research to fight against diseases"?

The answer is simply the first paragraph of [1]: > The U.S. Department of Defense’s Biological Threat Reduction Program collaborates with partner countries to counter the threat of outbreaks (deliberate, accidental, or natural) of the world’s most dangerous infectious diseases. The program accomplishes its bio-threat reduction mission through development of a bio-risk management culture; international research partne…

> The Biological Threat Reduction Program’s priorities in Ukraine are to consolidate and secure pathogens and toxins of security concern

Where would these pathogens and toxins that need to be secured be coming from?

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Post by oneoff786 »

maratc wrote: post #115
hkmaxpro wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do your links [1][2] support the claim that Ukraine is developing “biomilitary activities” (as claimed in the title of the Global Times article)? They seem to point to medical research to fight against diseases, rather than “biomilitary activities”.

Genuine question: Why would the US Department of Defence fund "medical research to fight against diseases"?

Because medical research is useful?

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by ethbr0 »

maratc wrote: post #148
yks wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was for animal diseases and yes, DoD has a department for that as well: https://www.health.mil/Military-Health-Topics/Combat-Support... . There is no conspiracy here unless you just want to see it.

I don't suggest any conspiracy; I am just debating your claim on "reducing threat of COVID in UA Armed Forces" in 2017.

mRNA vaccine technology was funded out of a DARPA program (from memory, ADEPTS?) to rapidly develop and deploy vaccines to novel pathogens. Circa 2015 or earlier?

At the time, pandemic influenza was the best guess, but the point of the platform and the program was to rapidly address any pathogen.

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Post by kodah »

waffleiron wrote: post #139
hn_go_brrrrr wrote: post #126

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To defend against biological weapons. The DoD is responsible for defending the US against all kinds of attacks -- conventional, nuclear, chemical, and biological -- even if it doesn't use all of those weapon types itself.

> even if it doesn't use all of those weapon types itself. US has changed to a limited interpretation of what a biological weapon is, and considers non-deadly biological agents to not be bioweapons when it comes to treaties banning them. https://web.archive.org/web/20121204112835/http://www.fas.or... The US does research into chemical and bio-weapons they do not consider to be lethal: https://web.archive.org/web/2012…

That makes sense. The only bioweapon we were routinely trained on is tear gas, so if they're building stuff on level with tear gas I wouldn't be surprised. The other type of bioweapon that your second link mentioned is microbes that eat through structural material. This looks like it's purposed for breaching, which makes sense given how dangerous breaching is today.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by jessaustin »

andrewclunn wrote: post #90

Normal day: Eww an ad, skip / ignore. War time: This foreign government bought ADS! They're promoting propaganda and influencing our policy, election, populace! My own government (which only tells the truth) must stop this from happening.

Yeah, I don't really trust any of these people, because somehow they're all too dumb to install uBlock Origin.

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Post by [deleted] »

yks wrote: post #131
bananabiscuit wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing in the video, but see somebameforme’s post ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30615313 ). No need for hasty accusations of spreading misinformation.

You are linking some links that don't imply what you imply. Yes, there are biolabs, and yes, some of them are Army-affiliated because COVID happened in the army, and yes, UA Army works with DoD. But there is no connection whatsoever there with the "US-made bioweapons" or even "bioweapons" in general so basically you are just promoting conspiracy.

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