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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by yks »

bananabiscuit wrote: post #101
yks wrote: post #87

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There is nothing in the video saying the biolabs belong to the US, stop spreading conspiracy misinformation. Edit: parent changed the text of their post from "US does have biolabs in Ukraine" to "US has an interest in biolabs in Ukraine"

Nothing in the video, but see somebameforme’s post ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30615313 ). No need for hasty accusations of spreading misinformation.

You are linking some links that don't imply what you imply. Yes, there are biolabs, and yes, some of them are Army-affiliated because COVID happened in the army, and yes, UA Army works with DoD. But there is no connection whatsoever there with the "US-made bioweapons" or even "bioweapons" in general so basically you are just promoting conspiracy.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by 9wzYQbTYsAIc »

happytoexplain wrote: post #116
9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #94

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> Since it seems you have an anti-Biden agenda >> It was a serious question in good faith These two statements appear to be in contradiction. I have an anti-misinformation agenda. Nothing more, nothing less, at this time, thank you very much.

If you read the original post you were replying to, then read your post, your post appears to be only tangentially related, utilizes sarcasm and implied political hostility, and makes an accusation that doesn't seem warranted. The post you were replying to seemed to be genuinely referring to the same platform's famous fact-checking of Trump, merely as a point of comparison. There was no implication of some kind of hy…

> That's what causes these kinds of rambling forks in threads.

I’m of the opinion that people reading too much into things, like you appear to be doing in your previous (long) paragraph, is what causes those kinds of rambling forks.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by RNAlfons »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #93
Sol- wrote: post #14

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It's win-win for them, no? A weak Russia isolated from the west means cheap resources for China. And the West focusing on the conflict and spending resources in Europe draws attention away from China in Asia. Seems like it's their interest to keep both parties in a drawn out conflict. Though perhaps they have to balance it with how it affects the world economy.

> win-win for them, no? No. Taiwan is seeing a massive increase in morale and defense interest [1]. The West has unified in a way not seen since World War II. If Xi sides with the baddies, he risks the stink rubbing off on him. [1] https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/in-taiwan-putins-war-in-ukr...

I don't think China could do anything about the attack itself (besides pushing it back into the mud...). This way the Taiwan development isn't anything they could change. It will wear off though and doesn't really change anything about the whole situation.

In return they get to see what the West will do and what they'd do if China would to attack Taiwan. They get the cheap resources OP mentioned above, they get another country which depends on them and posting some Ads on Facebook won't hurt them. It's not like somebody would sanction them because of it.

Realistically seen, they'll be able to get away with much more and I'm sure they'll test that in the weeks to come.

I can't imagine "the West" sanctioning both a huge source for oil and gas AND a source for cheap manufactured goods and they know it too...

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by alxlaz »

maratc wrote: post #115
hkmaxpro wrote: post #112

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How do your links [1][2] support the claim that Ukraine is developing “biomilitary activities” (as claimed in the title of the Global Times article)? They seem to point to medical research to fight against diseases, rather than “biomilitary activities”.

Genuine question: Why would the US Department of Defence fund "medical research to fight against diseases"?

Research on infectious disease & co. is a big part of military research because servicemen operate all across the world, including areas where they are exposed to diseases that are uncommon in the US, or that have been eradicated. That is, of course, on top of all the diseases that fall under "chemical warfare" and for which you have to be able to treat your people (both military and civilian), and afflictions associated with crowded areas in general (besieged cities and the like).

I obviously don't know what the labs mentioned by the parent poster were doing but the fact that the US DoD (or any country's department of defense) does medical research should be about as surprising as the fact that they do research on explosives.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by 9wzYQbTYsAIc »

chipgap98 wrote: post #130
9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #127

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> I don’t know why China is so keen on helping Russia. They are ancient neighbors and have a vested interest in helping maintain global geopolitical harmony, just like all other globalized nations.

How are they helping maintain global geopolitical harmony? Their actions seem to be doing the opposite

They keep the bacon flowing, for one. They invest in sustainability initiatives. They conduct anti-terrorism training exercises with their neighbors.

Plenty of other things, I’m sure.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by thepasswordis »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #110
thepasswordis wrote: post #85

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She says that she's concerned that Russia soldiers will take control of the materials in these labs and release it into Ukraine as a false flag, and that the US is working with them to secure these places. It seems like we're getting into some really weird definitions of weapons if that doesn't count as a "weapon".

Biological material, especially if it is disease related, can be easily misused. This sounds like the effort the USA had 20+ years ago in helping Ukraine in securing and eliminating their nuclear arsenal. Not because the USA was interested in more nuclear weapons, but because they didn’t want terrorist getting ahold of them.

What would you call a lab which studies and looks to defend against diseases which could be weaponized?

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by waffleiron »

hn_go_brrrrr wrote: post #126
maratc wrote: post #115

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Genuine question: Why would the US Department of Defence fund "medical research to fight against diseases"?

To defend against biological weapons. The DoD is responsible for defending the US against all kinds of attacks -- conventional, nuclear, chemical, and biological -- even if it doesn't use all of those weapon types itself.

> even if it doesn't use all of those weapon types itself.

US has changed to a limited interpretation of what a biological weapon is, and considers non-deadly biological agents to not be bioweapons when it comes to treaties banning them.

https://web.archive.org/web/20121204112835/http://www.fas.or...

The US does research into chemical and bio-weapons they do not consider to be lethal:

https://web.archive.org/web/20121119043547/http://www.fas.or...

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by yks »

maratc wrote: post #128
yks wrote: post #124

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cause they were reducing threat of COVID in UA Armed Forces (first link)

The document linked above is from 2017. Was there a COVID-17 I never heard of?

That was for animal diseases and yes, DoD has a department for that as well: https://www.health.mil/Military-Health-Topics/Combat-Support....

There is no conspiracy here unless you just want to see it.

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