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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Political propaganda has no place on these advertising platforms. Deeper pockets shouldn't mean a louder voice on these matters.

Do you also think the US army should stop running recruitment ads targeting teens? What about BP advertisements which are really just to get political support?

What is political propaganda is a very… political question.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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I don’t know about the ads, but here are their state media reports: They peddle Russia’s claim that US has bioweapons in Ukraine: https://www.newsweek.com/china-peddles-russias-claim-that-us... And here’s CGTN’s article on “biolabs” in Ukraine, citing Russia media outlets and officials: https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202203/1254330.shtml Edit: As pointed out by a commenter, the above article is from GlobalTimes, not…

The existence of biolabs is completely genuine. You can read more (from a .gov site) here [1]. They seem to have removed the fact-sheets from the site, but you can still access them on archive.org, like here [2]. The fact sheets don't have anything especially seedy on them but do confirm that the labs were funded by the US Department of Defense, and do work with pathogens. Point being you don't need the quotes. There…

How do your links [1][2] support the claim that Ukraine is developing “biomilitary activities” (as claimed in the title of the Global Times article)?

They seem to point to medical research to fight against diseases, rather than “biomilitary activities”.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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post #109

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> You see how that makes it looks like you have animus No, not really. Do you see how your not answering my question, but rather attacking it, shows that you have animus towards me?

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> Can you point to what specifically is misinformation in the article about Biden's order? Let me guess, you like cryptocurrency and it said things you don't like. You also said that Biden has a monopoly on what we see in the press. Um, that's pretty far from true, and anyway, he is the president so I would expect his messages to be shared widely.

‘nuff said. You are clearly lashing out, so it would be better to discontinue this conversation with you at this time.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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post #54

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It’s infuriating that the west allows itself to remain dependent on a dictatorship.

In the bigger context, we always did and still do. Even going so far to actively support some of them and not just tolerate. Especially when they were supposed to keep "communists" in check. Just some examples. Those lists are for the US but of course by no means is it exclusive to the US. - https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/02/americas-mos... (linked for the list, not for "Obama" - obviously it is indepen…

> In the bigger context, we always did and still do. Even going so far to actively support some of them and not just tolerate. Especially when they were supposed to keep "communists" in check.

And the West may need get more comfortable with doing that, since we've seen some of the consequences. IMHO, sanctions against Belarus were probably a significant contributing factor to this war (i.e. they put Belarus in a position to be dominated by Putin, who took full advantage to support/strengthen his invasion of Ukraine).

I wonder if some middle ground is tenable (e.g. make a deal with a dictator that he will get full support for life, as long as he agrees his successor will be a properly democratic government).

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

#115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The existence of biolabs is completely genuine. You can read more (from a .gov site) here [1]. They seem to have removed the fact-sheets from the site, but you can still access them on archive.org, like here [2]. The fact sheets don't have anything especially seedy on them but do confirm that the labs were funded by the US Department of Defense, and do work with pathogens. Point being you don't need the quotes. There…

How do your links [1][2] support the claim that Ukraine is developing “biomilitary activities” (as claimed in the title of the Global Times article)? They seem to point to medical research to fight against diseases, rather than “biomilitary activities”.

Genuine question: Why would the US Department of Defence fund "medical research to fight against diseases"?

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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> Since it seems you have an anti-Biden agenda >> It was a serious question in good faith These two statements appear to be in contradiction. I have an anti-misinformation agenda. Nothing more, nothing less, at this time, thank you very much.

If you read the original post you were replying to, then read your post, your post appears to be only tangentially related, utilizes sarcasm and implied political hostility, and makes an accusation that doesn't seem warranted. The post you were replying to seemed to be genuinely referring to the same platform's famous fact-checking of Trump, merely as a point of comparison. There was no implication of some kind of hypocritical opinion regarding whom should and should not be fact-checked.

That's what causes these kinds of rambling forks in threads.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

#117

I see these conspiracies starting to enter my social media: apparently they are saying the us is running dozens of biowarfare labs. The only evidence is photoshopped maps. No one ever has a list of addresses to verify, ha.

Labs were given to Ukraine from the US DoD/DTRA, so pretty easy jump for conspiracy theorists to go all biowarfare zombie sarin etc. The page below explains what they are actually used for.

https://ua.usembassy.gov/embassy/kyiv/sections-offices/defen...

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

#118

I don’t know why China is so keen on helping Russia. Is this some kind of godfather deal and they want some massive ROI from Russia once things settle down a bit? Or is this some long-term strategy “against the West”?

Russia has nowhere else to go now that western markets are closed to them. China will be able to buy natural gas and oil nearly at cost because nobody else is willing to buy them, and gets to dictate the prices it's willing to pay. It also gets a large market for the products of its industry with close to zero competition. At least that's the general feeling among Russian economists whom I've been reading lately.

Not so sure about that market part... its 160 million of mostly poor folks who are becoming massively more poor as we write here. That's not so lucrative market compared to ie Europe with 500+ million wealthier citizens. But yeah Chinese cheap stuff will not have much competition.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

#119

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I don’t know about the ads, but here are their state media reports: They peddle Russia’s claim that US has bioweapons in Ukraine: https://www.newsweek.com/china-peddles-russias-claim-that-us... And here’s CGTN’s article on “biolabs” in Ukraine, citing Russia media outlets and officials: https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202203/1254330.shtml Edit: As pointed out by a commenter, the above article is from GlobalTimes, not…

They are probably building up a strategy of blaming COVID-19 on fabricated US/Ukraine bioweapons research (accidental release).

There does appear to be a growing body of evidence circumstantially suggesting that COVID-19 is due to American incompetence and gross negligence.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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post #87

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There is nothing in the video saying the biolabs belong to the US, stop spreading conspiracy misinformation. Edit: parent changed the text of their post from "US does have biolabs in Ukraine" to "US has an interest in biolabs in Ukraine"

Nothing in the video, but see somebameforme’s post ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30615313 ). No need for hasty accusations of spreading misinformation.

That post you linked is itself spreading misinformation. Notice how it retreats to the argumentative "motte" of bio labs - which are not a secret - while contextually purporting to support the claim that the US is developing bio weapons in Ukraine, which itself is misinformational support for the propaganda line used domestically in Russia, that the bioweapons the US is allegedly developing in Ukraine will be used to attack Russia.

I understand the urge to apply neutrality here but the fact is that the priors simply do not support a good faith interpretation of what we know is coming from the Russian state propaganda apparatus.

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