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If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine
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Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine
#172Why aren't russians telling eachother? At least a fraction of russians read and trust trustworthy (international) news sources, but if their peers won't believe them, why would they believe me if I called them? Russia isn't North Korea. Yes there has been a tightening lately and all easily accessible media has been propaganda for a long time. But that doesn't mean any Russian can't - with some effort - consume a wide…
They absolutely ARE.
If you look at Russian groups on Facebook - they are ALL talking about the war. ...very passionately.
Russians with western contacts are overwhelmingly against the war. Russians physically in Russia try to be silent online for fear of arrest but they too talk to one another about this clusterF of an invasion.
Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine
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Russia has been pushing far right, and attempt to disrupt politics in my country for years. They have gotten Schroder on their payroll so he would sabotage german and Europe energy. Now, they have been threatening western Europe with nukes. Yes, we are clearly at war with Russia.
I don't mean any offense, but I think it's somewhat fascinating that the idea of total war seems assumed by both your comment and the original post. Even if the US and Russia were at war, the notion that private citizens were not just involved, but obligated to contribute seems to be a remnant of the world wars. What's interesting to me is that this notion seems to have disappeared, since to my knowledge there wasn't…
I live in Europe, I am french to be more precise. I feel Russia as an existential threat right now.
Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine
#174When US invaded Iraq (because of false claims about weapons of mass destruction), people did not call random numbers in America. And ordinary Americans did not do anything to stop their government from invading another country on false premises.
Iraq was a dictatorship with a murderer at the head.
Ukraine is a democracy.
HUGE difference.
Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine
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Because unsolicited phone calls from people in the west is all that’s needed to stop the war.
What are you doing better?
Cheerfully paying higher gas prices. Trying to convince my government to send more weapons, money, and humanitarian aid to Ukraine. Donating heavily to refugee aid organizations. Sometimes happily passing on Ukrainian propaganda. (Go, Ghost of Kyiv!)
Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine
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Well, both Putin and Bush started their terms roughly at the same time. I see only one of them ruling today. America is by no means perfect, but Russia is entirely different thing.
Obama came to power on a wave of optimism - he was going to close gitmo and stop the drone strikes. Years after he left the scene gitmo is still open and drone strikes still happen. GWB is gone but his policies endure. Turns out US leadership likes it that way.
Obama tried to close gitmo, but he wasn't the emperor, and there were many politians who opposed him. These politians were elected by US citizens.
Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine
#177Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine
#178Why aren't russians telling eachother? At least a fraction of russians read and trust trustworthy (international) news sources, but if their peers won't believe them, why would they believe me if I called them? Russia isn't North Korea. Yes there has been a tightening lately and all easily accessible media has been propaganda for a long time. But that doesn't mean any Russian can't - with some effort - consume a wide…
They absolutely ARE. If you look at Russian groups on Facebook - they are ALL talking about the war. ...very passionately. Russians with western contacts are overwhelmingly against the war. Russians physically in Russia try to be silent online for fear of arrest but they too talk to one another about this clusterF of an invasion.
Out of curiosity, any idea what Facebook is currently doing about Russian-government-supported propaganda accounts?
Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine
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Like the country that has been waging an online psy-ops on us for the last decade and a half and literally bribing our elected officials?
Interestingly CIA was kind of blazed the trail there. They even openly bragged about how it got Yeltsin elected.
What would you do if you ran a country and the CIA was running a psyops campaign on your citizens?
A) Ask them nicely to please stop.
B) Do it back
C) Do it back and then call for a truce
D) Nothing whatsoever
From a game theory as well as a moral perspective I think theres one right answer here, but Im curious as to what your answer is.
Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine
#180When US invaded Iraq (because of false claims about weapons of mass destruction), people did not call random numbers in America. And ordinary Americans did not do anything to stop their government from invading another country on false premises.
Iraq was a dictatorship with a murderer at the head. Ukraine is a democracy. HUGE difference.
And yet, instead of killing/imprisoning the dictator, US-led invasion resulted in many civilians killed, their houses destroyed, not to mention drone strikes against civilians. If (many) innocent people get killed in the end, I see no big difference.