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Re: Venting doesn’t work

#81
People do not vent anger. People vent frustration. Anger is usually a follow-up because the person does not have a motion forward or solution to the frustrating element.

In my experience people vent their frustration because they are stuck in their thinking and instinctively want to share it with others in hope the trusted person can give a way out, or comfort them.

Re: Venting doesn’t work

#82

Can't help but think the term "toxic," discredits the whole thing as a vehicle for something else. Aggression is natural and universal, but the tools for expressing and self-regulating it are not. One description of it that resonated personally for me was Robert Sapolsky's "depression is aggression turned inward," and while the phrase doesn't do the whole idea justice, it's more useful than hollow and seductive clich…

Crucially, it was probably better for everyone else too, not just yourself.

Re: Venting doesn’t work

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is your 3rd post in the thread, alleging that catharsis doesn't work. Now, personally, I don't have skin in the game, so I can't tell you whether it works or not. But the fact that you're citing a 1967 psych study done on 9 year old kids tells me you have some kind of agenda for whatever reason. Not only are most psych studies flat out junk, but the 50s and 60s was the time of particularly egregious junk science…

I can link you to another bunch. Because I took interest on the subject. I've been told to "vent" almost all of my life and only a few years ago I got exposed to this research. I'm citing one of the earlier ones and there's plenty of newer studies. My "allegations" are based in research and not empty words(unlike the accusations in your comment)

Please do.

There's a possibility that I'm using the term catharsis completely wrong, so I'm not taking the study at face value.

I've never heard of people equating venting with catharsis or linking them logically.

To me, catharsis is something that occurs rarely, to some people, after a tragedy. It's sort of an emotional closure that lets you move on in peace.

Re: Venting doesn’t work

#84
Work for what? People vent for pleasure, not as part of a plan. Clearly a more rational response to anger is to let it dissipate without losing your cool, then let your best self decide what to do.

But sometimes sharing a beer with a friend and going over the sins of those rat bastards that are fucking everything up is by God really fun. Like many pleasures, it is best in moderation. And should probably be done once you aren't so mad that you disturb your equanimity.

Re: Venting doesn’t work

#85

I've found the problem with venting can be that it cements an idea in your head. This is particularly true with people. If I find myself venting that doesn't know what the heck they're doing, I've internally solidified that belief. If improves, if I'm on another project with where they clearly have a lot of knowledge, then it can still be too late. I've verbalized to myself ( and worse, my partner ) that X is incompe…

This is an interesting one particularly when it comes to listening well in intimate relationships— the wisdom is that men are generally worse listeners and have a tendency to want fix things rather than just being present with their partner to understand how they are feeling and where they are at. And that learning to do this and learning to ask for it, are important pieces of long term relationship success.

All of which makes sense, but I do think some of the times when I've struggled with this was maybe tied into what your describing: a concern that while my partner's feelings of hurt or whatever were total valid, I found it hard to separate validating just the feelings while not also validating what I felt were unfair judgments/characterizations about the people or situations involved, and was nervous that letting those judgments go by unaddressed was indeed going to cement them as a future factual reference point.

Re: Venting doesn’t work

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post #65

Can't help but think the term "toxic," discredits the whole thing as a vehicle for something else. Aggression is natural and universal, but the tools for expressing and self-regulating it are not. One description of it that resonated personally for me was Robert Sapolsky's "depression is aggression turned inward," and while the phrase doesn't do the whole idea justice, it's more useful than hollow and seductive clich…

Did you apply this concept from a book or other set of writings? I’m just curious about this process and would like to learn more.

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Re: Venting doesn’t work

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Can't help but think the term "toxic," discredits the whole thing as a vehicle for something else. Aggression is natural and universal, but the tools for expressing and self-regulating it are not. One description of it that resonated personally for me was Robert Sapolsky's "depression is aggression turned inward," and while the phrase doesn't do the whole idea justice, it's more useful than hollow and seductive clich…

> Yes, some people will think you are an asshole, but the little bit of friction and occasional loss of a connection does not compare to relief and peace of just not caring what they think

I have found deep joy in un-filtering myself. Not worrying about every syllable that comes out of my mouth for fear of retaliation, cancellation, et. al. My social circle had to shrink a bit, but the trade-off is that I am no longer suffering from a constant stream of cognitive dissonance. I stopped forcing myself to believe in ridiculous pop-culture/tech bullshit just to fit in with others. It was taking too much out of me to fake it for arbitrary social credits.

The crazy thing is that I still have high quality social relationships despite my unfiltered expression. I'd rather have a few people I can actually trust with controversial ideas rather than an army of sycophants I have to pander to constantly.

Re: Venting doesn’t work

#89
There is likely no good medium- or long-term benefit to venting, especially when it's defined as physical violence directed at objects or verbal aggression directed at people. That's pretty clear.

But one of the best pieces of advice my therapist gave me was that under extreme stress, sometimes the only path to making it to the next minute intact is to do something where the long-term benefit isn't clear, or even negative. In those moments, the best we can do is focus on preventing harm to others and minimizing harm to ourselves. (This isn't just about venting, but other stress and trauma reactions.)

If a situation is so terrible that there's a chance of having a more brutal breakdown (or in my case, a suicide attempt) if we don't throw a plastic cup at a wall, or scream out the pain, or otherwise do something stupid for that short burst of peace with a relatively high cost, then we won't make it to a point where we can reflect on how we got there, and how to actually get to a better place in the medium- or long-term.

Cycles of venting are bad, because constantly venting means constantly being under stress, which means it's harder and harder to step away from it to recognize the sources of the stress and break that cycle. But as a response to a peak in stress, or a sudden trauma, it's a tool - not the best tool, not even a good tool, but if it's the _only_ tool I can reach in time, the advice I got (for myself, which I am not a therapist, and which may not be relevant to you) was to not second-guess whether to use it.

Re: Venting doesn’t work

#90

I think they've missed the point. Venting isn't for catharsis; It's for seeking validation. When you vent TO someone and they lend a sympathetic ear, it's a huge help. Venting is a social bonding ritual. You generally don't get this online because most of the audience is NOT sympathetic, so you'll get criticism after criticism, making things even worse.

There are lots of sympathetic audiences online too— see relationship or parenting vents on tiktok, where the comments are often just wall-to-wall supportive, with crown emojis, slogans like "SLAYYYY!" etc. Twitch "just chatting" streams can be like this sometimes too.

But I do wonder how much of it actually lands for the recipient. As an influencer putting out a carefully curated image of yourself, how meaningful is it to be boosted by a bunch of mostly-anonymous strangers? Wouldn't it just feed into a kind of dissociative thing where you recognize that they're praising and lifting up a mask and have no idea about the particulars of the real person's struggles? I don't know.

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