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Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by inglor_cz »

denton-scratch wrote: post #62
inglor_cz wrote: post #35

In the case that Russia actually collapses as a state ... which is not likely, but cannot be ruled out if they lose this war badly (lost wars are an enormous stress test for authoritarian regimes where the ruler gets all the blame, just look at the collapse of Tsarist Russia in 1917) ... a lot of territory would be up to grabs. Kaliningrad could transform to a puppet state of the EU, removing a serious gap in its ter…

> Tuva (ironically, where Shoigu comes from) is a Buddhist nation that fits into the Mongol-Chinese cultural sphere better than into Russian one. Mongols/Buddhists have a long history in Russia.

I know, that is why I qualified my opinion with "better".

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by fractallyte »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #39
Aethylia wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we like Japan? They have a shameful history that they have refused to acknowledge. I view them very negatively.

What about USA or UK then? Or Belgium or France or Spain or Holland for that matter... I love Japanese people, they paid and suffered much more than deserved for their past mistakes, contrary to many other empires of the past.

These women would emphatically disagree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women

It might not seem like much compared to other world events, but it means everything to the people concerned. No real punishment to the perpetrators, and a very late, reluctant, and muted acknowledgement from the Japanese government.

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by api »

inglor_cz wrote: post #35

In the case that Russia actually collapses as a state ... which is not likely, but cannot be ruled out if they lose this war badly (lost wars are an enormous stress test for authoritarian regimes where the ruler gets all the blame, just look at the collapse of Tsarist Russia in 1917) ... a lot of territory would be up to grabs. Kaliningrad could transform to a puppet state of the EU, removing a serious gap in its ter…

> lost wars are an enormous stress test for authoritarian regimes where the ruler gets all the blame, just look at the collapse of Tsarist Russia in 1917

This just brought to mind the idea that it's remarkable that America has weathered at least one and possibly three (depending on the definition of success) lost wars in the past 50 years without severe political consequences: Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. It wasn't without consequence but it did not cause anything like Russia in 1917 or Germany in the 1930s. The worst we got was a shirtless jackass wearing horns on the Senate podium.

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by fireflymetavrse »

inglor_cz wrote: post #35

In the case that Russia actually collapses as a state ... which is not likely, but cannot be ruled out if they lose this war badly (lost wars are an enormous stress test for authoritarian regimes where the ruler gets all the blame, just look at the collapse of Tsarist Russia in 1917) ... a lot of territory would be up to grabs. Kaliningrad could transform to a puppet state of the EU, removing a serious gap in its ter…

I'm sure in the long run the US would rather deal with Russia than with a China occupying anything Russian in Eastern Asia.

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by EGreg »

rjzzleep wrote: post #18
zelphirkalt wrote: post #13

Just yesterday I was thinking: What if others started to grab territory, which Russia claims to be its territory around the world now? Wouldn't that be fortunate timing and overload Russian army? Today I read this.

Just yesterday I was thinking: What if we piss off a nuclear power all around the world now? Wouldn't that be fortunate timing to solve global warming? FTFY. I mean sure we only have another 50 years before the planet is unlivable for us, but why desperately try to accelerate it? EDIT: here is Russias military doctrine from 2000 https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2000-05/russias-military-doc...

I see, clever way to combat global warming … but nuclear winter will only last for about 10-20 years. And the warming hasn’t progressed enough that countries bombing the shit out of all major cities will cancel it out. Wait until 2100 before trying that.

PS: firebombing is more effective, more ash after all :-P

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by jelly »

thiagoharry wrote: post #61
inglor_cz wrote: post #35

In the case that Russia actually collapses as a state ... which is not likely, but cannot be ruled out if they lose this war badly (lost wars are an enormous stress test for authoritarian regimes where the ruler gets all the blame, just look at the collapse of Tsarist Russia in 1917) ... a lot of territory would be up to grabs. Kaliningrad could transform to a puppet state of the EU, removing a serious gap in its ter…

I think that the probability of Russia losing this war is negligible. They are using just a tiny fraction of all their personal and power.

According to a video I found linked on another thread (https://youtu.be/b4wRdoWpw0w?t=119) Russia has moved around 75% of its principal combat units to the Ukraine border. The Ukraine invasion appears to be using a significant portion of their conventional military power.

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

bobuk wrote: post #41
Hamuko wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't the islands full of Russian people? I imagine a referendum wouldn't yield a result that was unfavourable to Russia.

it depends on the Japan's proposition. If they will propose to guarantee jobs for every new citizen with typical for Japan salary - it will be enough because the exchange rate of Russian ruble is dropped by more than 100% in the last 5 days.

People will readily pay or forgo money in order to live how they want where they want with people they get along with.

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by EGreg »

coobird wrote: post #23

This isn't anything new. That's always been Japan's position on the "Northern Territories" as it's commonly called here. From the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan: https://www.mofa.go.jp/region/europe/russia/territory/overvi...

China and Taiwan would be a lot more interesting

Out of the three major nuclear powers, I’d say only Russia would ever get sanctions for invading and occupying land. When was the last time US got sanctions?

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Post by thriftwy »

bobuk wrote: post #41
Hamuko wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't the islands full of Russian people? I imagine a referendum wouldn't yield a result that was unfavourable to Russia.

it depends on the Japan's proposition. If they will propose to guarantee jobs for every new citizen with typical for Japan salary - it will be enough because the exchange rate of Russian ruble is dropped by more than 100% in the last 5 days.

Considering how much discrimination japanese Koreans and especially Ainu has faced, it's hard to take this proposition at a face value. "Would you like to have an average wage of our country as a second-class citizen".

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by mcphage »

ineedasername wrote: post #46
zelphirkalt wrote: post #13

Just yesterday I was thinking: What if others started to grab territory, which Russia claims to be its territory around the world now? Wouldn't that be fortunate timing and overload Russian army? Today I read this.

I too have taken Russia's actions as both precedent and the distraction needed to make my own move. I declared the basement of my house (finished, furnished) complete with bathroom, sink and microwave, to be my own sovereign domain. The consequences for violating that territory will be such as none in my household have ever in their history experienced.

> I declared the basement of my house (finished, furnished) complete with bathroom, sink and microwave, to be my own sovereign domain.

How far along your sewer pipes does your domain extend?

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