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The History of Sanctions

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Re: The History of Sanctions

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How can Russia replace all its lost equipment (tanks, supply trucks, helicopters, planes) when they've lost more than half of their economy in a week, and counting? Their GDP was on par with Spain (a country of far smaller size and natural wealth), but is fast approaching that of Portugal. I mean, look at the flight of skilled workers out of their country, and the ruble halving in value in the space of a month.

Sure, a Ruble buys you fewer international goods than a dollar, but has much more buying power in Russia. The tank factories still exist, and the workers there still have jobs and can still make tanks. As long as they still get food and raw materials more tanks will come off the line, and Russia nowadays has enough food and plenty of raw materials. The Ruble will buy less on international markets, but it still buys s…

Just before I went on lunch,I watched someone in Russia going to a shop with a camera and just filming some random stuff and how much it costs, like fruit,veg,etc. An average pensioner was sitting on probably $200-300 pension. Now it's more like $100. A kilograme of cucumbers was like $2 if converted from rubles..The video was shot during the weekend, when the exchange rate wasn't as bad as it is today.

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Depends on how China responds. The world is in a proxy war with Russia via Ukraine. China might decide to have a proxy war with the west via Russia. Or maybe not. Since The world is coming together hopefully discouraged shenanigans. This is kind of similar to how Vietnam was a proxy war between the US and Russia.

"The world" is not. The US and their allies are. The rest of the world is sitting this out at best. Go check some Indian, African, and South American coverage. It's very eye-opening.

I did follow Indian coverage for a while for that exact reason, but it didn't seem that different from BBC or CNN (except heavy focus on Indian students as you would expect) so I stopped. Had this changed?

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Why would Russian logistics fail?

Their military logistics have not worked well to date much to the surprise of many.

Yes, but that's very different from food logistics failing in Russia so "people may starve". That sounds extremely unlikely.

Re: The History of Sanctions

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I don't understand how "specialists" keep talking about sanctions "failing"/being bad overall or other comparisons with Germany before WW II and other similar situations that happened 100! years a go.

And basically forget the last 4 countries the US sanctioned: Venezuela, Iran, Cuba, North Korea.

These countries are basically failed states and cease to exist international and have basically zero power over their neighbours, and all US goals were achieved with the sanctions:

South America didn't became communist, South Korea and Japan are still there and way better than North Korea, Iran didn't obliterate Israel, etc, etc... Venezuela doesn't have technology to extract half the oil anymore (check they oil production).

I hope Russia goes the same way.

And I really don't understand why no one talks about the sanctions in Venezuela and Iran, being Iran in population +- half the size or Russia, so not a small country.

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I don't understand how "specialists" keep talking about sanctions "failing"/being bad overall or other comparisons with Germany before WW II and other similar situations that happened 100! years a go. And basically forget the last 4 countries the US sanctioned: Venezuela, Iran, Cuba, North Korea. These countries are basically failed states and cease to exist international and have basically zero power over their neig…

More like 10% the size of Russia.

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I don't understand how "specialists" keep talking about sanctions "failing"/being bad overall or other comparisons with Germany before WW II and other similar situations that happened 100! years a go. And basically forget the last 4 countries the US sanctioned: Venezuela, Iran, Cuba, North Korea. These countries are basically failed states and cease to exist international and have basically zero power over their neig…

More like 10% the size of Russia.

Sorry, I meant in population (edited now).

Anyway let's see what happens with the Russian economy after 10 years of sanctions.

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I don't understand how "specialists" keep talking about sanctions "failing"/being bad overall or other comparisons with Germany before WW II and other similar situations that happened 100! years a go. And basically forget the last 4 countries the US sanctioned: Venezuela, Iran, Cuba, North Korea. These countries are basically failed states and cease to exist international and have basically zero power over their neig…

The (stated) goal of sanctions on North Korea was denuclearization. North Korea continued to do nuclear tests and haven't returned to NPT yet.

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I don't understand how "specialists" keep talking about sanctions "failing"/being bad overall or other comparisons with Germany before WW II and other similar situations that happened 100! years a go. And basically forget the last 4 countries the US sanctioned: Venezuela, Iran, Cuba, North Korea. These countries are basically failed states and cease to exist international and have basically zero power over their neig…

The (stated) goal of sanctions on North Korea was denuclearization. North Korea continued to do nuclear tests and haven't returned to NPT yet.

The goal on North Korea is not to invade South Korea or attack Japan.

(And also to disable their ability to use nukes against USA).

I would say goals were accomplished. We really don't know the state of nuclear missiles there and I could bet they are not in any very good shape...

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The (stated) goal of sanctions on North Korea was denuclearization. North Korea continued to do nuclear tests and haven't returned to NPT yet.

The goal on North Korea is not to invade South Korea or attack Japan. (And also to disable their ability to use nukes against USA). I would say goals were accomplished. We really don't know the state of nuclear missiles there and I could bet they are not in any very good shape...

That's ridiculous. North Korea is not crazy, there is no conceivable reason why North Korea would use nukes against USA unless regime is attacked. If that was the goal, there was no reason for sanctions whatsoever.

Truly, "nukes against USA" is much more ridiculous than Russia's excuse of invading Ukraine, that it is threatened by NATO expansion.

Re: The History of Sanctions

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Depends on how China responds. The world is in a proxy war with Russia via Ukraine. China might decide to have a proxy war with the west via Russia. Or maybe not. Since The world is coming together hopefully discouraged shenanigans. This is kind of similar to how Vietnam was a proxy war between the US and Russia.

"The world" is not. The US and their allies are. The rest of the world is sitting this out at best. Go check some Indian, African, and South American coverage. It's very eye-opening.

They don't cover it that well, doesn't mean people across the World stopped despising Russians for what they are doing right now.

edit: actually even Western media aren't doing good job, reporters are scared and shit themselves afraid of Russian fire strikes and don't go into areas where most of the fighting happens, some Czech media and other small nations do but that's it.

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