I’m surprised there is no technical solution to shell-ing. Some kind of autonomous anti-shell gun that shoots them down mid flight? It seems like a fairly common problem.
Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission
61–70 of 287 posts
Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is genuinely not an attempt at flamewar but why can't civilians just leave? Russia is obviously going to win. It's the same with Palestenians, they obviously have not and will not win against Israel. The logical thing to do is to leave, suffer but be sure that your kids will have it better. But I reckon this isn't about logic?
Leave where and leave how? In both cases.
Also, if you try to leave as military able men you’re in danger from both sides. One considering you a threat, the other a traitor and deserter, even if you’re just a civilian. Very bad place to be with no good options.
Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission
#63It's so incredibly sad to see this playing out exactly as many predicted and being unable to stop it (due to the threat of nuclear war). It's like standing on a train track and seeing an oncoming train miles away and yet being unable to move. So many (more) Ukrainians are about to die or suffer horribly, and much of the physical history and cultural artifacts of that city will be destroyed.
> It's so incredibly sad to see this playing out exactly as many predicted The narrative started out that Putin is a dog backed into a corner, therefore he is bluffing and won’t actually invade. The story was also that he has the most to lose. Maybe the premise was correct, but the conclusion hasn’t been proven valid yet.
Most economic models need to stop assuming that the typical actor is rational. Putin is clearly not objectively rational, at best subjectively rational within the realms of his ideology (unite the ethnically Russian people).
Add to that miscommunication within all sectors of government just to please your superiors and that's how you arrive at the, sorry, shit tier decision making surrounding this entire war.
Anyone with half a brain should have seen the economic and geopolitical disaster resulting from this. And I firmly believe that many in military, intelligence, economy etc. DID SEE IT. But talking about it was never accepted and harshly punished. This war has ended Russia as we know it and will make it just another vassal of China.
It's interesting and terrifying to observe the new fascist "Z" propaganda being pushed by Putin as well...
Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission
#64And then what? He is expecting that Europe and the USA will just lift the sanctions afterwards?
Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
We could have put troops in the country before the invasion.
Isn’t that exactly the kind of the arrogance of the West pushing the boundaries as the East has argued is its red line ?
Well not posting troops in Ukraine doesn't seem to have stopped Ukraine getting invaded does it? So it seems that was empty rhetoric.
Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is genuinely not an attempt at flamewar but why can't civilians just leave? Russia is obviously going to win. It's the same with Palestenians, they obviously have not and will not win against Israel. The logical thing to do is to leave, suffer but be sure that your kids will have it better. But I reckon this isn't about logic?
> This is genuinely not an attempt at flamewar but why can't civilians just leave? They are. I think the count is up to two million or something. > Russia is obviously going to win. That's not so obvious. For instance: the US failed to win against much weaker opponents than the Ukrainians. > The logical thing to do is to leave, suffer but be sure that your kids will have it better. But I reckon this isn't about logic…
>That's not so obvious. For instance: the US failed to win against much weaker opponents than the Ukrainians.
Those were opponents in a tribalistic society practicing guerilla warfare hiding across deserts spreading thousands of miles.
Ukraine is a developed country with infrastructure that's well documented and known by their enemy. If they take out their vital infrastructure like hospitals, water, power, schools, they're done for. When their cities are reduced to rubble from the shelling, there will be nothing left fighting for, as you can't live and raise kids in wasteland that's been reduced to rubble.
Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
World you like to see photos? There are many posted on some of the darker subreddits.
Honestly, I stopped using Reddit, the amount of Ukranian propaganda has been through the roof. People are romanticizing the war. I log in to look at memes and cat videos and instead watch kids making molotoves. I have no horse in this race, propoganda is propoganda.
I have had family abroad (not Russia) tell me that the media there is reporting that Ukrainian paramilitary forces, including released prisoners, forcibly prevented their own citizens leaving and collapsed the humanitarian corridors[1].
And the problem is, it's actually not completely outside the realms of possiblity, and I have no way to know. As far as I'm aware, the Ukrainians are fighting the good fight, but that's what I _would_ think. When the propaganda is flying this thick and this fast, maybe I'm as bamboozled as anyone else.
On the other hand shrugging and going "dunno, both sides lol" seems pretty ghoulish when the civilians are being killed and homes and cities bombed to nothing.
[1] I do not know where they got that from but it would have been TV. Trying to figure out where that comes from using only sources I can find leads me to a combination of the (apparently true) report that prisoners with military experience are released if they fight against Russia[2] and a TASS(!) report that Ukraine is responsible for collapsing the corridors[3].
[2] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-army... amongst others
Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission
#68I’m surprised there is no technical solution to shell-ing. Some kind of autonomous anti-shell gun that shoots them down mid flight? It seems like a fairly common problem.
You mean something like this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goalkeeper_CIWS or the Iron Dome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dome
An Iron Dome was actually ordered by Ukraine but Israel blocked the transaction.
Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission
#69I’m surprised there is no technical solution to shell-ing. Some kind of autonomous anti-shell gun that shoots them down mid flight? It seems like a fairly common problem.
Phalanx?
Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s reprehensible for sure, but I’m fairly confident it’s not all that uncommon in war. It’s just the first time in history that the whole world sees the horrors of war streamed live. Which is a good thing I guess, there’s a whole new generation now that might learn ‘never again’ without actually having to go through the experience. Edit: Of course we always had the news, but a reporter showing the aftereffects from…
This. In Vietnam, Americans (a small minority) collected ears of those they killed. The Viet Cong held barrels with rats to stomachs and burned the other end, forcing rats to eat through stomachs. In Rwanda, neighbors killed neighbors with their bare hands. In World War 2, +150,000 civilians were wiped instantaneously. In former Yugoslavia, neighbors lined neighbors up and executed them. There is no war without war c…
Don't forget the now proverbial bombings of Afghan, and Pakistani, marriages. War crimes happen, they suck, and cannot be measured against each other.