Earlier quoted context omitted.
World you like to see photos? There are many posted on some of the darker subreddits.
The question is about evidence, not photos on some forum.
And photos were never used in court?
Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission
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Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission
#42It's so incredibly sad to see this playing out exactly as many predicted and being unable to stop it (due to the threat of nuclear war). It's like standing on a train track and seeing an oncoming train miles away and yet being unable to move. So many (more) Ukrainians are about to die or suffer horribly, and much of the physical history and cultural artifacts of that city will be destroyed.
This is genuinely not an attempt at flamewar but why can't civilians just leave? Russia is obviously going to win. It's the same with Palestenians, they obviously have not and will not win against Israel. The logical thing to do is to leave, suffer but be sure that your kids will have it better. But I reckon this isn't about logic?
First off, I think saying "But I reckon this isn't about logic?" feels a tad incendiary and not particularly charitable to the people in these situations.
To the point you're making though, I don't think it's so straightforward in all cases. If you're not well off and your life is being completely uprooted either way, it's a much more complex calculus than just, say, going to Poland.
Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission
#43It's so incredibly sad to see this playing out exactly as many predicted and being unable to stop it (due to the threat of nuclear war). It's like standing on a train track and seeing an oncoming train miles away and yet being unable to move. So many (more) Ukrainians are about to die or suffer horribly, and much of the physical history and cultural artifacts of that city will be destroyed.
This is genuinely not an attempt at flamewar but why can't civilians just leave? Russia is obviously going to win. It's the same with Palestenians, they obviously have not and will not win against Israel. The logical thing to do is to leave, suffer but be sure that your kids will have it better. But I reckon this isn't about logic?
> This is genuinely not an attempt at flamewar but why can't civilians just leave?
They are. I think the count is up to two million or something.
> Russia is obviously going to win.
That's not so obvious. For instance: the US failed to win against much weaker opponents than the Ukrainians.
> The logical thing to do is to leave, suffer but be sure that your kids will have it better. But I reckon this isn't about logic?
Or it is about logic, but your "logic" is too shallow of an analysis.
Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission
#44It's so incredibly sad to see this playing out exactly as many predicted and being unable to stop it (due to the threat of nuclear war). It's like standing on a train track and seeing an oncoming train miles away and yet being unable to move. So many (more) Ukrainians are about to die or suffer horribly, and much of the physical history and cultural artifacts of that city will be destroyed.
This is genuinely not an attempt at flamewar but why can't civilians just leave? Russia is obviously going to win. It's the same with Palestenians, they obviously have not and will not win against Israel. The logical thing to do is to leave, suffer but be sure that your kids will have it better. But I reckon this isn't about logic?
It’s not as easy to leave as you think.
In the case of Palestinians especially, finding easy citizenship elsewhere is not simple.
Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Enough to convince Human Rights Watch. " Dat rapporteert mensenrechtenorganisatie Human Rights Watch (HRW) op basis van ooggetuigen en beeldanalyses. " According to a report by humanrights organization Human Rights Watch based on eye witness accounts and image analysis. https://www.nu.nl/spanningen-oekraine/6185514/mensenrechteno...
They don't want actual evidence. There plenty of videos of civilians being murdered, which I'm sure they'll say isn't evidence enough.
See, Human Rights Watch doing witness interviews and picture analysis is what I call evidence. Some video or picture somewhere on social media not so much. I've seen to many of those, from wars years ago in different parts of the world than the one the claim to be from, to actually believe any of those anymore.
Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission
#46I don’t understand all the history and nuance of the situation, but I feel incredibly guilty on behalf of the west for courting Ukraine for admission to NATO / EU, but leaving them in a very precarious and vulnerable position in the meantime. It’s just an impossible and sad situation.
NATO and by that we mean the United States has always been in ambiguous and uncommitted relationships with countries. Their communication is very subtle and succinct. It’s the same with Taiwan. They do not deny China’s claim to Taiwan, but that is logically not equivalent to saying they accept China’s claim to Taiwan. They use language that is convenient for the politicians of those countries to appease their constit…
Is it subtle? Wikipedia says Ukraine was in the “Intensified Dialog” phase which apparently means they are engaged in ‘discussion of a "full range of political, military, financial and security issues relating to possible NATO membership“‘
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO#Intensif...
Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
The question is about evidence, not photos on some forum.
And photos were never used in court?
If you analyze them, and back them up, sure. If you take them from an un-vetted source on the internet, not so much. Wouldn't be the first time pictures from different wars were used as "evidence" for crimes in another war.
Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission
#48It's so incredibly sad to see this playing out exactly as many predicted and being unable to stop it (due to the threat of nuclear war). It's like standing on a train track and seeing an oncoming train miles away and yet being unable to move. So many (more) Ukrainians are about to die or suffer horribly, and much of the physical history and cultural artifacts of that city will be destroyed.
This is genuinely not an attempt at flamewar but why can't civilians just leave? Russia is obviously going to win. It's the same with Palestenians, they obviously have not and will not win against Israel. The logical thing to do is to leave, suffer but be sure that your kids will have it better. But I reckon this isn't about logic?
Russia bombarded the designated areas where civilians were supposed to be able to flee cities. There were also mines found in some of those.
And the humanitarian corridors Russia recently designated lead to Belarus and Russia, which is not where the people want to be. The Russian effort to "help the civilians" are just deeply cynical PR and misdirection.
Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Of course we always had the news, but a reporter showing the aftereffects from a safe distance are a bit different from the single soldier streaming the images of the Russian warship before telling them to go fuck themselves. The reporting isn’t like that here either though. Here’s a video of the Sky News UK team getting ambushed: https://news.sky.com/story/amp/sky-news-teams-harrowing-acco...
SkyNews literally just said, "We are used to wars far away, but now the refugees are at our shores." Let that sink in.
I think the person who said that was Ben Wallace, Secretary of State for Defence
Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission
#50It's so incredibly sad to see this playing out exactly as many predicted and being unable to stop it (due to the threat of nuclear war). It's like standing on a train track and seeing an oncoming train miles away and yet being unable to move. So many (more) Ukrainians are about to die or suffer horribly, and much of the physical history and cultural artifacts of that city will be destroyed.
This is genuinely not an attempt at flamewar but why can't civilians just leave? Russia is obviously going to win. It's the same with Palestenians, they obviously have not and will not win against Israel. The logical thing to do is to leave, suffer but be sure that your kids will have it better. But I reckon this isn't about logic?
The women and children are leaving. There are four of them in our flat (grandmother, mother, two daughters) here in the Czech Republic.
The men are staying and fighting. The men who were in our country have gone back to fight.
Fuck Putin