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Re: Modern Fascism Looks Like

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Post by woodpanel »

zozbot234 wrote: post #27
woodpanel wrote: post #11

For the Record: Kamil Galeev works at the Woodrow Wilson Center, a DC based think tank. His Ukraine-War threads on twitter are informative, but to be taken with a grain of salt. And I think in the case of "To put it simply, [Russia]'s going full fascist." with a couple of grains more.

The thread is very long, it covers a lot more than just "going full fascist".

True, but it should be the giveaway (if not the open call for regime change in Moscow).

After reading it again I have to say: The thread is remarkably shallow.

Its length seems overwhelming but upon further inspection makes a lot of detours into individuals then circles back to the "grand scheme of things" and (thus) in each spot takes things out of context (e.g. Putin's "I only have Ivans and Marias in my family" quote - what the Author leaves out: what was said before and thereafter, and why it was said at all: In response to some alledgedly heoric act in this war by a young boy from an ethnic minority).

Re: Modern Fascism Looks Like

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Post by rakslice_ »

SyzygistSix wrote: post #29
woodpanel wrote: post #11

For the Record: Kamil Galeev works at the Woodrow Wilson Center, a DC based think tank. His Ukraine-War threads on twitter are informative, but to be taken with a grain of salt. And I think in the case of "To put it simply, [Russia]'s going full fascist." with a couple of grains more.

What's the deal with the Woodrow Wilson Center? It seems to have good credentials, albeit connected to the US government. Are there other examples of it producing obvious propaganda?

idk, but it seems like it's not involved in this case as these are just independent Twitter threads from an account that isn't referenced by any of the Wilson Center's own verified accounts which are busy posting their own analysis...

Re: Modern Fascism Looks Like

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Post by djhn »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #7

I think this thread actually highlights how the modern internet can "hack" normal human perception due to the way it makes it very difficult to see how much support an idea/position actually has. I mean, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that there is some portion, even a sizable portion, of the Russian populace that supports the invasion of Ukraine. But, suppose the support is on the order of 5-10% (I have no…

Navalny, defacto Russian opposition leader (jailed), has an organization that has been doing internet polls on the support for war. See [0] for recent results. As it's an internet poll, and skews young, urban and liberal, it should provide a lower bound for the support of the war.

[0] https://navalny.com/p/6615/

Re: Modern Fascism Looks Like

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Post by dragonwriter »

djhn wrote: post #33
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #7

I think this thread actually highlights how the modern internet can "hack" normal human perception due to the way it makes it very difficult to see how much support an idea/position actually has. I mean, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that there is some portion, even a sizable portion, of the Russian populace that supports the invasion of Ukraine. But, suppose the support is on the order of 5-10% (I have no…

Navalny, defacto Russian opposition leader (jailed), has an organization that has been doing internet polls on the support for war. See [0] for recent results. As it's an internet poll, and skews young, urban and liberal, it should provide a lower bound for the support of the war. [0] https://navalny.com/p/6615/

How does an internet poll conducted by an organization working for an already jailed opposition leader overcome the polling-in-authoritarian states problem of people not trusting the polling not to be monitored and not to be a black mark in a government file if someone doesn't like the answer?

It doesn't provide a lowe bound on anything.

Re: Modern Fascism Looks Like

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Post by djhn »

dragonwriter wrote: post #34
djhn wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Navalny, defacto Russian opposition leader (jailed), has an organization that has been doing internet polls on the support for war. See [0] for recent results. As it's an internet poll, and skews young, urban and liberal, it should provide a lower bound for the support of the war. [0] https://navalny.com/p/6615/

How does an internet poll conducted by an organization working for an already jailed opposition leader overcome the polling-in-authoritarian states problem of people not trusting the polling not to be monitored and not to be a black mark in a government file if someone doesn't like the answer? It doesn't provide a lowe bound on anything.

You do have a point. But those people would rather avoid answering the poll in the first place. Those answering the poll are self-selected for strong anti-war sentiment.

The methodology is a bit a of a mystery, perhaps I'm wrong to assume this poll was conducted on an unaffiliated internet property, so no connection to the opposition leader would be evident.

In any case these are the most anti-war numbers of any poll out there, and still over 50 % put the blame on Ukraine and the West.

Re: Modern Fascism Looks Like

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Post by romwell »

orwin wrote: post #24
VictorPath wrote: post #16

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Man, France also have neo-Nazi batallions, we actually have articles written on this like every two years, with followup article saying nothing was done and the problem is worse (i think one divison was disolved, because they were a bit too obvious on social media). I'm pretty sure the US does too. Sadly, neo nazis are drawn to the army and as the recruiting is hard in the West, they are easily accepted. If you conde…

Yup. Anyone educated enough to know about Makhno would probably be too smart to be a fucking Nazi.

Re: Modern Fascism Looks Like

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Post by etc-hosts »

SyzygistSix wrote: post #28
VictorPath wrote: post #16

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So what's the play? Jewish people and neo-Nazis collaborating to gain power? And then later turn on each other? The Wikipedia article on them says there are Jewish people serving in Azov Battalion. If Azov are neo-Nazis, who is their enemy? Obviously the Islamic Chechen military who have been deployed against them but other than that, who? Chechnya isn't on their border. Other Slavs? Where are the non-white people th…

Some of the wackier groups that Azov recruits from don't think Ukrainians are Slavs, it's one of the ways they justify racism against Russians.
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