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The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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How can we create a video platform with high-quality discovery, personalization, subscriptions, comments, voting, and more — while also making it technically incapable of being evil and closed? Are there technologies that we can use to allow network effects to accumulate to software that isn't controlled by a single, rent-extracting, and private entity?

Until bandwidth and storage space is practically free, there's no real way to compete.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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I just wish something could be done about it all.

Use linux? My next PC I am making the switch.

This doesn't actually solve the problem, though. What's going on is that more systems are becoming reliant on "secure computing" to work properly, so (e.g.) Netflix won't stream full quality to your Linux PC.

On its own that may not seem like much, but the screws are being turned (albeit slowly). We'll reach a point where the only way to access any proprietary content on the web will also require running proprietary operating systems on DRM enabled hardware using secure boot. Banking sites won't work, video playback won't work, even access to textual content will eventually be restricted. This is because the browser vendors, the OS vendors, and the content distribution platforms are all colluding to create this future.

Linux on the desktop doesn't have enough users to push back in a meaningful way against this trend at this point (and I say that as a Linux user). 10 years ago, maybe, but now it's simply too late. Sure you'll still be able to run open source software on your Linux PC, and write your own code and run it, but you'll be prevented from accessing huge chunks of the Internet.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Is there really not a audio only version of the podcasts your interested in. i.e. the classic rss feed of audio files. It's such a shame what has happened to podcasts

You can download only the audio using youtube-dl.

Sure, and I can rip the audio off the DVD for Gone With The Wind, but that wouldn't make it a podcast.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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fingerprinting can survive both of those

While someone is busy tracing that fingerprint, everyone has already copied and watched the video.

the fingerprint disables the camera (or puts it into some sort of crappy mode)

if you want a real world example of this in practice: search for the EURIon constellation

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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While someone is busy tracing that fingerprint, everyone has already copied and watched the video.

the fingerprint disables the camera (or puts it into some sort of crappy mode) if you want a real world example of this in practice: search for the EURIon constellation

Use an old camera.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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the fingerprint disables the camera (or puts it into some sort of crappy mode) if you want a real world example of this in practice: search for the EURIon constellation

Use an old camera.

then when you try ingesting the footage into the machine/cpu/hard drive/router/cloud storage/...

it's not really something you can win as an individual on an infinite timescale

(unless you plan to keep your VHS around for the next few hundred years)

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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if that becomes the only avenue to rip a movie wide spread distribution of said movie with out permission will die The idea that you would have lots of people getting up camera's and monitors to record a movie for distribution on the internet is laughable, and it would be a cam quality today so you would just end up with the early releases capture via someone setting in a theater which are generally poor quality

I think software can create a good version of a video taken from a middle-tier camera. My 8-year-old DSLR, Nikon D750, can take 4k video at 60fps. Its sensor has more dynamic range than even high-end screens can produce. When I take a picture of my TV I can see individual pixels. That camera can capture every bit of info my screen is putting out. I bet from a 4k/60fps video from my camera you can process it to produc…

Yeah, with a known resolution (1920x1080) and a stable camera it shouldn't be to hard to get a near-perfect rip.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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We're not being a little too cute. If you are supposed to be able to access YouTube from Firefox or Chrome, then you are also supposed to be able to access it via youtube-dl, given all of those are HTTP clients. Saying otherwise would be setting a dangerous precedent of trying to legislate which HTTP clients are allowed and which are disallowed.

Surely things like Widevine show that that precedent has already been set? There are many online things that cannot be consumed by unblessed clients.

Surely the fact that a single blemish exists does not imply that we should just curl up in a hole and admit defeat. The fact that Widevine exists does little to damage the core of the above argument.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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We're not being a little too cute. If you are supposed to be able to access YouTube from Firefox or Chrome, then you are also supposed to be able to access it via youtube-dl, given all of those are HTTP clients. Saying otherwise would be setting a dangerous precedent of trying to legislate which HTTP clients are allowed and which are disallowed.

I can go to an all you can eat restaurant with my empty stomach. I can’t go to an all you can eat restaurant with an empty garbage bag to fill up with food for later.

It's a cute analogy, except it fails to explain why youtube-dl is the garbage bag in this instance.

If we step away from analogies for a bit, are you actually arguing that we shouldn't have the ability to modify the markup and the code before we display it on our computers?

If you insist on making a cute physical analogy, a more apt one would be of a tyrant buying out all the stores and allowing free entry on the condition that people's eyelids are forcibly taped open before they enter. After some reasonable people start removing the tape from their eyelids, the tyrant throws a tantrum and attempts to legislate away removing eyelid tape.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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You know you can pay YouTube like $10 a month and never see an ad again, right?

I can also pay YouTube $0 a month and never see an ad again. I do pay money for Nebula, because they seem like their hearts are in the right place. I pay about $60, 70 a month to various podcast and video creators directly. I don't use adblock, vanced, and sponsorblock because I'm cheap. It's because I don't like what YouTube as a whole is doing with incentivising clickbait and maximising revenue above just being an…

If you really don’t like the product, the right thing to do would be to stop using it, not steal it.

If the cost of a product exceeds its value to you, you just don’t buy it. It doesn’t mean you should get it for free.

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