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Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by pcdoodle »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #149
tartoran wrote: post #140

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Can you compare Zorin to Ubuntu?

Zorin 16 is based on Ubuntu 20.04.3, so everything you are used to is still there. The only difference is in the UI, with 'Windowish' looking widgets and a focus on usability for non-technical folks. There are some more extra bells and whistles, as well as service support, in the pro version but I haven't used those in my family computers so I can't comment on that. I don't want to be dismissive, Zorin is a massive e…

Zorin looks pretty cool! just spent some time looking through their site.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by acomjean »

jimbob45 wrote: post #69
adhesive_wombat wrote: post #65

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Dual boot on your current PC, no time like the present. Bonus: you add years to the useful life of the machine, because most Linuxes fly even when Windows chugs.

Fifteen minutes to get up and running with Ubuntu or Mint if you stay focused. A lot of people don’t realize that LibreOffice, Steam, and Discord are all fully usable on Linux these days.

And zoom. I know Linux but I’m not a sys admin by any stretch. I’ve been using Linux as my personal laptop for 3 years now. It updates itself and has required hardly any manual intervention (just once I had to command line for an upgrade. Generally it’s justed worked.

The upgrader/installers are not perfect but it’s hardly so difficult that software developer would find it daunting.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by arepublicadoceu »

Iolaum wrote: post #155
heavyset_go wrote: post #66

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You'll be locked out of using your hardware's full potential, same goes for the software and media you use, too. Look at how Nvidia already locks nouveau developers out of using their GPUs' full power with cryptography.

There are already non mainstream OEMs you can buy hardware from that won't have this problem. System76, entroware, Purism (laptops+smartphones), Frame.Work (not only Linux laptops) and other Linux manufacturers are there to serve you. On the mobile space there is Purism, Pine64 and FairPhone. In our dystopian future, if you want ownership of a computing device you 'll need buy a nieche one.

And good luck buying any of these devices if you’re outside of the blessed distribution centers.

Try buying any of those in Brazil or non US/UK/EU countries and you’re going to have tons of fun with import taxes and shipping.

Suddenly, a cheap device costs more than a flagship iPhone or android with none of their benefits except the intangible freedom.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by blowski »

md224 wrote: post #9

The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecom... The legal defense of youtube-dl is premised on the idea that there's no circumvention occurring [0]. I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfer…

I'm sceptical there is a long-term solution for people to have all the content available on YouTube (and similar services) accessible by the freedoms we experienced in 1995-2005. You choose either the range of content, or the freedom of choice in how you access it.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by numlock86 »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #150

99% time I use YouTube the following way: I download the videos for archival, extract the audio tracks and listen to the in an audiobook app (which is good at adjusting the speed up to 3x and remembering positions I pause at in every track I listen) while commuting or doing chores. I think would consume up to 98% less content if I couldn't do it this way. It is also important to mention that the YouTube website itsel…

> I download the videos for archival, extract the audio tracks and listen to the in an audiobook app

There's the "-x" option flag (combine with "-f bestaudio") which will only download the audio. No need for manually extracting.

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Post by izacus »

zeepzeep wrote: post #90

Okay, what again prevents me from making a service that films a browser watching youtube? Could they do anything against that? No? Then ytdl will continue to be a thing.

I'm pretty sure DMCA has a clause that can hit you with a massive fine over that. Remember, US has sold all of their freedoms off to DRM content owners.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by Mindwipe »

donkeyd wrote: post #136
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #127

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I think maybe this was true five years ago, but at some point they decided to turn the screws and really ramp up advertising. I don’t follow their financials but I assume the site was self sufficient with far fewer ads than today, and that now they are extracting profit (rents) from their established behemoth. Of course I could be wrong.

> now they are extracting profit So? They're a business, what do you expect? The previous commenter was saying they're doing more than just hosting video, which is true. If you want to create a nonprofit for video hosting, go ahead, but don't blame YouTube for turning a profit.

Also don't be surprised that your not for profit folds very quickly.

YouTube got to be YouTube because Google sank enormous amounts of money into it for no return for a decade. Indeed, YouTube probably still hasn't broken even if including those costs.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by diavolodeejay »

14 wrote: post #77
seanp2k2 wrote: post #41

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So long as the https://www.eff.org/issues/analog-hole exists, piracy cannot be stopped. The ever-escalating arms race between content and consumers will go on, but there will be no victory, only collateral damage. If you have content people value but they aren't willing to pay for it, find out why. Maybe it's because you're charging too much, running too many ads, making it hard to cancel, or they just don't actually…

You gave me an idea if someone was to design a small display attached to a camera paired specifically to capture high quality video not just someone propping up a camera but where external light was blocked and the image size and camera are perfectly matched with an audio input as well they may have a market.

You may be on something: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinescope

So yeah, it's possibile to do it, but nowadays isn't done because there are more pratical ways to record video

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Post by Mindwipe »

usrbinbash wrote: post #123
WhyNotHugo wrote: post #120

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It's also about setting a precedent. Anyone else wanting to host it in Germany will think twice if the courts have already ruled one way.

Can't imagine it's hard to find a hosting provider in one of the other 194 countries.

The German verdict would apply EU wide unless another court overrules it, and is useful precedent to getting similar judgements elsewhere.

To be honest though, I don't think they need to win, just get clarity. YouTube have almost certainly committed to the labels that they do apply DRM to YouTube videos containing their content, and are telling them that the rolling cypher is it. If the labels take it to court and the court rules in Europe that the rolling cypher is not sufficient to be considered DRM contractually then Google are in breach of their contract, and will have to apply Widevine to YouTube videos containing any music.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by izacus »

lazzlazzlazz wrote: post #76

How can we create a video platform with high-quality discovery, personalization, subscriptions, comments, voting, and more — while also making it technically incapable of being evil and closed? Are there technologies that we can use to allow network effects to accumulate to software that isn't controlled by a single, rent-extracting, and private entity?

> Are there technologies that we can use to allow network effects to accumulate to software that isn't controlled by a single, rent-extracting, and private entity?

When you'll understand that YouTube's monetization is the reason why it's so popular (because, as opposed to other services, it's self-sustaining and, most important, profitable FOR CREATORS publishing there), you'll be closer to your answer.

Competition died mostly because:

- They have shit user experience that's outright broken (I'm looking at you Nebula and your portrait locked tablet apps and broken TV apps).

- They don't earn enough to cover bandwidth and transcoding costs (bandwidth is VERY VERY expensive even in western world when you stream video at scale).

- They don't have a simple answer for creators uploading videos on how to earn money from their creations. YouTube makes it a click (and a die roll for random demonetizations). Others don't and add friction to users as well.

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