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Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by bnjms »

stuu99 wrote: post #47
r3muxd wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just wish something could be done about it all.

Unfortunately there is no freedom under capitalism mon capitan, it's part and part of private ownership. American copyright law grants companies state like powers to remove your rights and freedoms. The only way would be to either 1) revolt against capitalism or 2) try to reform copyright law. But as we all know the US is the most worshipful of capitalist ideology. Software coming under copyright allows companies to…

Anti-capitalism isn’t enough for you to sell as an alternative. We really don’t have a serviceable alternative ideology given the tendency for communism to fall under control of a few men same as capitalism. The Reddit subs can point out some of the problems with Capitalism but not alternatives.

At some point the only option will be to use something like an rPi with a Linux and only interact with the culture made from the next punk movement. Or, targeted violence somewhere. But where.

I think both 1 and 2 are ripe for action. The right person can explain that the assumptions we’ve been sold about capitalism no longer resemble truth and we need to change the rules so they do.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

#72

Post by brigandish »

stuu99 wrote: post #47
r3muxd wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just wish something could be done about it all.

Unfortunately there is no freedom under capitalism mon capitan, it's part and part of private ownership. American copyright law grants companies state like powers to remove your rights and freedoms. The only way would be to either 1) revolt against capitalism or 2) try to reform copyright law. But as we all know the US is the most worshipful of capitalist ideology. Software coming under copyright allows companies to…

> The only way would be to either 1) revolt against capitalism or 2) try to reform copyright law.

Since (2) precludes the need for (1) and, hence, shows (1) is irrelevant to the discussion, and to do (1) would be an immense act of self harm akin to sticking one's fingers in one's eyes, repeatedly, for all time, I'll take (2), thanks.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

#73

Post by stuu99 »

bnjms wrote: post #71
stuu99 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately there is no freedom under capitalism mon capitan, it's part and part of private ownership. American copyright law grants companies state like powers to remove your rights and freedoms. The only way would be to either 1) revolt against capitalism or 2) try to reform copyright law. But as we all know the US is the most worshipful of capitalist ideology. Software coming under copyright allows companies to…

Anti-capitalism isn’t enough for you to sell as an alternative. We really don’t have a serviceable alternative ideology given the tendency for communism to fall under control of a few men same as capitalism. The Reddit subs can point out some of the problems with Capitalism but not alternatives. At some point the only option will be to use something like an rPi with a Linux and only interact with the culture made fro…

The real issue is company ownership is anti-democratic so we can't stop EA or activision from making games in fraudulent ways, so we'd need to have some ownership share over the company because it effects us politically.

There's no other way then private power being co-owned with the rest of society, aka there are certain things private individuals and companies can't engage in. That is the only explanation because corporations have state like powers at scale which all effect us. So capitalist ideology is still the root cause, there is no other alternative. AKA bobby kotick can say to his employee's "make games with drm" and the employee's must obey or be fired, that is the fundamnetal problem with capitalism in a nutshell. If someone who owns a powerful business is a giant dick there's no way to push back unless you give up the idea of owernship being in the hands of one or a small group of owners that can simply compel our obedience to their rules.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by jsmolka »

BrianHenryIE wrote: post #60

I signed up for YouTube Premium because I wanted to watch some videos offline (on a flight). The download speed is awful. Now I use YouTube-dl when I want to watch videos offline. I still have Premium because ad-free is great!

I did the same because I wanted to consume podcasts with the screen locked and not have adds. But the download speed for me is pretty good. Downloading a 2.5h podcast in 480p (which has the same audio quality as 1080p IIRC) takes less than half a minute.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

#75

Post by stuu99 »

brigandish wrote: post #72
stuu99 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately there is no freedom under capitalism mon capitan, it's part and part of private ownership. American copyright law grants companies state like powers to remove your rights and freedoms. The only way would be to either 1) revolt against capitalism or 2) try to reform copyright law. But as we all know the US is the most worshipful of capitalist ideology. Software coming under copyright allows companies to…

> The only way would be to either 1) revolt against capitalism or 2) try to reform copyright law. Since (2) precludes the need for (1) and, hence, shows (1) is irrelevant to the discussion, and to do (1) would be an immense act of self harm akin to sticking one's fingers in one's eyes, repeatedly, for all time, I'll take (2), thanks.

You can go ahead but the history of the last 200 years suggest reformism doesn't work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act#/...

Corporations got their way every time over the last 200 years. There has never been a time where copyright was pared back in the public interest.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

#76

Post by lazzlazzlazz »

How can we create a video platform with high-quality discovery, personalization, subscriptions, comments, voting, and more — while also making it technically incapable of being evil and closed?

Are there technologies that we can use to allow network effects to accumulate to software that isn't controlled by a single, rent-extracting, and private entity?

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by 14 »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #41
md224 wrote: post #9

The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecom... The legal defense of youtube-dl is premised on the idea that there's no circumvention occurring [0]. I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfer…

So long as the https://www.eff.org/issues/analog-hole exists, piracy cannot be stopped. The ever-escalating arms race between content and consumers will go on, but there will be no victory, only collateral damage. If you have content people value but they aren't willing to pay for it, find out why. Maybe it's because you're charging too much, running too many ads, making it hard to cancel, or they just don't actually…

You gave me an idea if someone was to design a small display attached to a camera paired specifically to capture high quality video not just someone propping up a camera but where external light was blocked and the image size and camera are perfectly matched with an audio input as well they may have a market.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

#78

Post by mftb »

CactusOnFire wrote: post #48
r3muxd wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just wish something could be done about it all.

Use linux? My next PC I am making the switch.

I did. If you're a developer, for a personal machine it's both easy and straightforward (I have work provided machines that use other OS's but that's outside the scope of this post). Do a little research on HW that works well with Linux (I went all AMD). Purchase, wipe, install distro of your choice (I went with Manjaro, because of Arch, doesn't really matter). It's been about 2 years and I haven't had a single serious issue (serious as defined here is, can't boot or non-functional HW). I'm running most of the latest stuff, Sway on Wayland, pipewire, etc...

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

#79

Post by pbhjpbhj »

stuu99 wrote: post #75
brigandish wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only way would be to either 1) revolt against capitalism or 2) try to reform copyright law. Since (2) precludes the need for (1) and, hence, shows (1) is irrelevant to the discussion, and to do (1) would be an immense act of self harm akin to sticking one's fingers in one's eyes, repeatedly, for all time, I'll take (2), thanks.

You can go ahead but the history of the last 200 years suggest reformism doesn't work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act#/... Corporations got their way every time over the last 200 years. There has never been a time where copyright was pared back in the public interest.

In the UK we got format shifting rights for a year or so, that was a minor, temporary paring back!

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

#80

Post by scarygliders »

stuu99 wrote: post #73
bnjms wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anti-capitalism isn’t enough for you to sell as an alternative. We really don’t have a serviceable alternative ideology given the tendency for communism to fall under control of a few men same as capitalism. The Reddit subs can point out some of the problems with Capitalism but not alternatives. At some point the only option will be to use something like an rPi with a Linux and only interact with the culture made fro…

The real issue is company ownership is anti-democratic so we can't stop EA or activision from making games in fraudulent ways, so we'd need to have some ownership share over the company because it effects us politically. There's no other way then private power being co-owned with the rest of society, aka there are certain things private individuals and companies can't engage in. That is the only explanation because c…

> The real issue is company ownership is anti-democratic

Wrong. Company ownership is perfectly democratic.

> need to have some ownership share over the company because it effects us politically

This happens now with share ownership.

> AKA bobby kotick can say to his employee's "make games with drm" and the employee's must obey or be fired, that is the fundamnetal problem with capitalism in a nutshell.

Every single time communism has been tried, it inevitably ends up that ultimate power rests in the hands of a few. It turns out way, way worse than capitalism, and belief that scrapping capitalism in favour of socialism (which Lenin stated is the path to communism) or jumping straight to communism, is always - always! - from either young idealistic but naive people, or believed by older people who never grew out of their earlier naive disgruntlement.

Besides which, I still believe now in my early 50's that what we have now isn't capitalism at all; it's more akin to corporatism. It's certainly not lassez-faire capitalism.

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