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Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by legulere »

gregwebs wrote: post #5

You might wonder how polio gets reintroduced into Israel or anywhere else. The polio vaccines we currently use are imperfect. The oral vaccine is a weakened form but it mutates in the neighborhood of one in a million cases to become effectively wild polio and some years this accounts for most of the poliomyelitis cases. On the other hand, the fully inactivated injected vaccine is non-sterilizing: it prevents poliomye…

Does Israel even use the oral vaccine? As far as I know all countries that have the basic infrastructure that is needed for the injection one, use that one.

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Post by dotancohen »

peter303 wrote: post #87

I wonder if there is an animal reservoir somewhere. Most mammals seem to be able to catch covid. Some specials like mink its more deadly than humans and kills many. Others like bats dont get sick.

‎There is no known animal reservoir for polio.

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Post by klyrs »

ravenstine wrote: post #109
ende wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Then it's also not fine for you to leave your house because even if you are vaccinated you can still spread disease. With modern technology, there's no need to leave the home for anything but work and some essentials. So if you have this technological-integrationist view on vaccines then you might as well self-ban from any sort of outside recreation or public gatherings since you would be putting others at risk.

Between the two extremes of not getting vaccinated and self-isolating forever on the off chance you might have a virus is something called reasonable precaution. Getting vaccinated for something like Polio is just such a thing.

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Post by smolder »

tyrfing wrote: post #106
somenameforme wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some interesting history on Pakistan there that has do with unforeseen consequences and why the ends never really do justify the means. The CIA gained some intel that Bin Laden was residing in Pakistan, and in the precise vicinity, but they wanted to be certain. They way they did this was by recruiting a local doctor [1] and splashing around a ton of money to start a fake vaccine campaign. It's unclear if they bother…

That was a terrible idea and certainly contributed, but there's more to it than that: https://firstdraftnews.org/long-form-article/first-draft-cas... There's a rich history of anti-vaccine conspiracy theories worldwide: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6318131/

Conspiracy theories, not conspiracies.

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Post by _lx4l »

ComradePhil wrote: post #108
ende wrote: post #103

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It is extremely concerning that this is most likely a mainstream position. Mandatory medical procedure for the common good is a slipperly slope… and it has been made into a mainstream position with pharma marketing and PR working with politicians and “news” agencies for their short-term profits. This could end up in someone coming to power and making high doses of copper cyanide mandatory to everyone who is pro-manda…

We've been legally mandating vaccines for over a century now. Where are we slipping to?

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Post by pawelmurias »

ComradePhil wrote: post #108
ende wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It is extremely concerning that this is most likely a mainstream position. Mandatory medical procedure for the common good is a slipperly slope… and it has been made into a mainstream position with pharma marketing and PR working with politicians and “news” agencies for their short-term profits. This could end up in someone coming to power and making high doses of copper cyanide mandatory to everyone who is pro-manda…

Superstition and idiocy being more important than the common good is a slippery slope... what if someone decides that putting out fires is against the will of their God?

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Post by onion2k »

dalbasal wrote: post #97
dustintrex wrote: post #94

The article does not mention this, but it's quite probably the unvaccinated child in question is from the fast-expanding Hasidic community in Jerusalem, many of whom are strongly anti-vax. This has led to measles outbreaks in the past in NYC as well, and the community was also hit especially hard by COVID. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/opinion/my-fellow-hasidic...

There's a decently populous anti-vax vegan community too.

Many vaccines aren't vegan-friendly (they're often grown in eggs), and pretty much all of them go through animal testing stages during clinic trials. It's not at all surprising that vegans would be anti-vax.

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Post by consp »

ciconia wrote: post #66
ck2 wrote: post #4

> Indications of the virus have been found in sewage samples in the area Oh this decade is going to be insane. We have the technology to solve so much but people no longer have the education and thinking process to use it. Disease and war back on the front burners.

> We have the technology to solve so much but people no longer have the education and thinking process to use it. To me it's rather our blind reliance on technology that is the problem. People have become dependent on pills and drugs (and vaccines) of all sorts, treating the symptoms rather than the cause more often than not. Chronic diseases are arguably more prevalent now than at other point in time: obesity, diabe…

> more prevalent now than at other point in time

I would not rule out detection bias: you can't be diagnosed with those if you can't find it before you are dead. And death used to come s lot sooner for most in the past.

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Post by rincebrain »

cudgy wrote: post #84
ciconia wrote: post #66

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> We have the technology to solve so much but people no longer have the education and thinking process to use it. To me it's rather our blind reliance on technology that is the problem. People have become dependent on pills and drugs (and vaccines) of all sorts, treating the symptoms rather than the cause more often than not. Chronic diseases are arguably more prevalent now than at other point in time: obesity, diabe…

Imagine the impact on the GDP of the US if obesity was largely eliminated and diet and exercise incentives were included as part of health plans (eg free membership to fitness clubs and access to certified personal trainers with a 20$ copay). That’s a big reason why it hasn’t happened; instead the focus is on doctors and hospitals treating acute issues instead of preventing them.

Such "Wellness Programs" do exist for health plans in the US, where you get incentivized (e.g. discounts/waived fees/increased coverage) for following whatever behavioral constraints they asked for (e.g. going to a gym, exercising regularly, and so on).

They're not universal, but they are a thing in some cases.

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Post by Gareth321 »

martin1975 wrote: post #96
dustintrex wrote: post #94

The article does not mention this, but it's quite probably the unvaccinated child in question is from the fast-expanding Hasidic community in Jerusalem, many of whom are strongly anti-vax. This has led to measles outbreaks in the past in NYC as well, and the community was also hit especially hard by COVID. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/opinion/my-fellow-hasidic...

Being anti vaccination is fine, it's a human being's right to choose, I only ask they let me know ahead of time if possible of their position.

I think I agree with you insofar as adults are concerned, but this child was not given that opportunity. This is what polio does: (https://polioeradication.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/unsp...). Inflicting this on a child is quite ruthless.
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