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Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by wolverine876 »

lmilcin wrote: post #59
wolverine876 wrote: post #15

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> people no longer have the education I'm pretty sure we're better educated than any time in human history. EDIT: Thinking about it, I would guess that we don't have as much humanities education as the prior generation (because it's been devalued), and humanities are what address the questions and problems plaguing our society, the big ones that are too complex to yield to scientific method or algorithms.

> I'm pretty sure we're better educated than any time in human history. In the past public opinion would be created by a minority of affluent people. Most people were basically peasants (even middle class with nice jobs) and had no chance to affect public opinion. Today public opinion is created by the majority (or manipulated by some shadowy figures with unknown agenda -- I can't make up my mind about it). So you co…

> In the past public opinion would be created by a minority of affluent people. Most people were basically peasants (even middle class with nice jobs) and had no chance to affect public opinion. Today public opinion is created by the majority (or manipulated by some shadowy figures with unknown agenda -- I can't make up my mind about it).

What is this based on? And why would the "minority of affluent people" were any more accurate or good-willed than whoever influences public opinion today? I'm sure those affluent people said things that fit their own interests and experiences, but I don't believe for a moment that affluence correlates with good judgement for everyone else.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by wolverine876 »

rexpop wrote: post #42
wolverine876 wrote: post #13

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People are responsible for their own behavior and can make choices. You can make choices. They aren't victims of systems.

> Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living. — Ad Hominem, 1852

Look how much the world has changed since then!

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by ende »

martin1975 wrote: post #96
dustintrex wrote: post #94

The article does not mention this, but it's quite probably the unvaccinated child in question is from the fast-expanding Hasidic community in Jerusalem, many of whom are strongly anti-vax. This has led to measles outbreaks in the past in NYC as well, and the community was also hit especially hard by COVID. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/opinion/my-fellow-hasidic...

Being anti vaccination is fine, it's a human being's right to choose, I only ask they let me know ahead of time if possible of their position.

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Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by Cosmin_C »

dalbasal wrote: post #97
dustintrex wrote: post #94

The article does not mention this, but it's quite probably the unvaccinated child in question is from the fast-expanding Hasidic community in Jerusalem, many of whom are strongly anti-vax. This has led to measles outbreaks in the past in NYC as well, and the community was also hit especially hard by COVID. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/opinion/my-fellow-hasidic...

There's a decently populous anti-vax vegan community too.

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Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

martin1975 wrote: post #96
dustintrex wrote: post #94

The article does not mention this, but it's quite probably the unvaccinated child in question is from the fast-expanding Hasidic community in Jerusalem, many of whom are strongly anti-vax. This has led to measles outbreaks in the past in NYC as well, and the community was also hit especially hard by COVID. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/opinion/my-fellow-hasidic...

Being anti vaccination is fine, it's a human being's right to choose, I only ask they let me know ahead of time if possible of their position.

I don’t believe the child chose their vaccination status.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by tyrfing »

somenameforme wrote: post #79
ckemere wrote: post #9

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This bears some correction. As the article reports, the strain that caused infection was traced from Malawi/Pakistan, where there is still endemic polio because of long-lasting vaccine hesitancy.

Some interesting history on Pakistan there that has do with unforeseen consequences and why the ends never really do justify the means. The CIA gained some intel that Bin Laden was residing in Pakistan, and in the precise vicinity, but they wanted to be certain. They way they did this was by recruiting a local doctor [1] and splashing around a ton of money to start a fake vaccine campaign. It's unclear if they bother…

That was a terrible idea and certainly contributed, but there's more to it than that: https://firstdraftnews.org/long-form-article/first-draft-cas...

There's a rich history of anti-vaccine conspiracy theories worldwide: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6318131/

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by mlyle »

klipt wrote: post #88
mlyle wrote: post #20

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> In what population does polio spread, the unnvacinnated or the vaccinated? In what population are you exposed to it? This is all so weird. An explanation of how I understand it: Polio definitely spreads in the unvaccinated. If you've given the IPV vaccine, you can later be infected and spread polio (with a little less likelihood), but won't become sick. If you're given the OPV vaccine, you eventually will have ster…

> If you've given the IPV vaccine, you can later be infected and spread polio (with a little less likelihood), but won't become sick. > If you're given the OPV vaccine, you eventually will have sterilizing immunity, and won't spread it, once immunity develops a small time after vaccination. But the OPV vaccine itself very rarely causes polio outbreaks. What if we have IPV first then OPV as a booster, would that give…

> > If you're in a part of the world with endemic polio and a good health system, you should be given the IPV vaccine and then the OPV vaccine a few months later.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by ComradePhil »

ende wrote: post #103
martin1975 wrote: post #96

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Being anti vaccination is fine, it's a human being's right to choose, I only ask they let me know ahead of time if possible of their position.

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It is extremely concerning that this is most likely a mainstream position.

Mandatory medical procedure for the common good is a slipperly slope… and it has been made into a mainstream position with pharma marketing and PR working with politicians and “news” agencies for their short-term profits.

This could end up in someone coming to power and making high doses of copper cyanide mandatory to everyone who is pro-mandates, for the common good of course. Be careful what you wish for.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by ravenstine »

ende wrote: post #103
martin1975 wrote: post #96

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Being anti vaccination is fine, it's a human being's right to choose, I only ask they let me know ahead of time if possible of their position.

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Then it's also not fine for you to leave your house because even if you are vaccinated you can still spread disease. With modern technology, there's no need to leave the home for anything but work and some essentials. So if you have this technological-integrationist view on vaccines then you might as well self-ban from any sort of outside recreation or public gatherings since you would be putting others at risk.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by gpt5 »

Cosmin_C wrote: post #104
dalbasal wrote: post #97

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There's a decently populous anti-vax vegan community too.

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I'm not sure that COVID anti-vax is a good example of Darwinism. Out of the 950K deaths from COVID in the US, only 6K are under 30 years old - hence less likely to have reproduced.
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